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 Panaeolus Cyanescens Growth Parameters
#8196395 - 03/26/08 12:44 PM (8 months, 5 days ago) |
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I've done a search and all I can find is Anno saying the fruiting temp is the same as cubesnsis for a cased jar tek which may differ from the optimal (or so I hear) 1 1/2" or less deep substrate with a 1/4" or less deep casing.
Blue Helix has a growlog and says 78-84F and 90-95% RH, 95% rh at night time.
RodgerRabbbit says 100% RH for pinning (from the time the casing is applied to when pins are formed)
The Mushroom Cultivator quotes
post casing/pre-pinning - 90%+ rh, 79-84f
primordia formation - 95%+ rh, 75-80f, 2fae/hr
cropping - 85-92% rh, 75-80F, 2fae/hr
so before pins minimal rh is 90, after pins form until they're considered fruits (2-3days?) 95% or higher rh, from then until harvest 85-92% rh?
ANY literature or first hand experiences with the cultivation of pan cyanz should be posted 
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Growth Parameters [Re: flavoraid]
#8196454 - 03/26/08 01:02 PM (8 months, 5 days ago) |
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Growth Parameters [Re: preschooler]
#8196474 - 03/26/08 01:06 PM (8 months, 5 days ago) |
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Dude, I quoted Blue Helix from that exact post >.<
additionally Blue helix says 100% rh will surely fail along with temps below 70f
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Growth Parameters [Re: flavoraid]
#8196617 - 03/26/08 01:35 PM (8 months, 5 days ago) |
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oops sorry dude.. 
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Growth Parameters [Re: preschooler]
#8196728 - 03/26/08 02:10 PM (8 months, 5 days ago) |
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blue helix is pretty elite
and his information is pretty much right in there.
100% RH fails due to pan mycelium not being able to fight off the mean green.
it looks like he basically follows the mushroom cultivator.
90-98% RH (95+) 80f (79-84F)
In Blue Helix's final comments he says - quoting
" I learned that this species can nearly destroy itself from its own heat during the colonization of the fruiting substrate. The trays and spawn bags must be separated and kept cool. I recommend keeping them both on wire racks or at least a metal rack that draws heat away. If the core temperature gets too high, the mycelium suffers and will never fully recover even if the temperature is corrected. Keep in mind that in nature the ground tends to stay cool even if the ambient temperatures exceed 100F (that's why caves stay cool), so it is not natural for mycelium to be exposed to very high temperatures, even for short periods of time."
He says in his log that he kept his substrate bags on wire racks at around 75F for this reason. I assume if you used jars as I believe the method was in the mushroom cultivator the temps are accurate the mycelium generates heat and the low incubation temp + wire rack are to prevent damage to the center of the substrate bags. THEN AGAIN. he keeps his trays at this temperature until 2 days into casing. I'd hazard to guess this is more a precaution than a necessity.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Growth Parameters [Re: flavoraid]
#8197743 - 03/26/08 05:46 PM (8 months, 5 days ago) |
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Pin formation requires high humidity.
Mushroom elongation requires lower humidity.
Mist the casing only until you see pins. Then don't mist again until after you harvest the flush.
I fan daily once the casing is colonized. I do like to leave the casing stagnant for a day while The casing produces the number of pins I want to try and mature.
Temps above 70 F and below 85 F work for me with every single cubie and Cope I have ever seen.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Growth Parameters [Re: Teonan]
#8197839 - 03/26/08 06:01 PM (8 months, 5 days ago) |
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in terms of numbers, what would you say for humidity
as high as possible for pin formation
how low for mushroom elongation?
out of curiousity how do you grow your pans?
like - bags, jars, sterilize this, past that.
I saw a tek by anno using pint jars inoculated with an agar wedge and cased appearently inside the pint jar, the substrate would be rather deep and would go against that 1 1/2" substrate or less unless you expect failure. I'm assuming it would be rather inefficient too.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Growth Parameters [Re: flavoraid]
#8198171 - 03/26/08 07:01 PM (8 months, 5 days ago) |
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What worked best for me was a shallow casing, a shallow casing layer. Lots of surface area relative to the depth of the substrate.
I like sterilized manure:verm:ryegrassseed cased with sterilized peat:vermiculite. I like 4 cup substrate casings, two per rubbermaid. I manually Fan with a paper plate max of 4 times a day.
My best yield was calculus close to 4 gram dry per cup of substrate. 7 flushes then contamination set in.
Just search the posts and you see MANY TEKS WORK GREAT.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Growth Parameters [Re: Teonan]
#8198199 - 03/26/08 07:08 PM (8 months, 5 days ago) |
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My temps are my room temps. 78 F.
Specifics are strain dependent.
pins 5-12 day from casing
fruits in 3-7 days from pins
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Growth Parameters [Re: Teonan]
#8198229 - 03/26/08 07:17 PM (8 months, 5 days ago) |
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my main concern was fruiting temps and humidity.
mainly because hearing of the mycelium being able to commit suicide and that it's very picky with temps/humidity as blue helix said.
have you grown many different pans?
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Growth Parameters [Re: flavoraid]
#8200014 - 03/27/08 03:36 AM (8 months, 5 days ago) |
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The Mushroom Cultivator quotes
post casing/pre-pinning - 90%+ rh, 79-84f
primordia formation - 95%+ rh, 75-80f, 2fae/hr
cropping - 85-92% rh, 75-80F, 2fae/hr
so I can use 100% RH until I get pins, then I want to drop it to 85-92% RH (let's call it 90%rh) until I harvest (elongation)
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Growth Parameters [Re: flavoraid]
#8202130 - 03/27/08 04:25 PM (8 months, 4 days ago) |
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my temps were 90 degrees in the daytime and 70 + in the night. Humidity 90 % relatively. Fan once pins are up there ,then mist once in awhile. Pretty much like cubes.peace out
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Growth Parameters [Re: flavoraid]
#8202321 - 03/27/08 05:10 PM (8 months, 4 days ago) |
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If you are using small quatities of substrate, you will have no problems with internal heat problems. Just be between 70-85 F and do multispore , something will happen.
I am pinning in a sealed rubbermaid(lid on). I would imagine it is pretty humid, I have no way of accurately measuring humidity. Once small shrooms have formed, I actually leave the corner of the rubbermaid slightly open(lid). This decreases the humidity, INCREASES evaporation, but again I have no accurate way of measuring humidity.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Growth Parameters [Re: Teonan]
#8202332 - 03/27/08 05:13 PM (8 months, 4 days ago) |
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Over a twenty different Copelandia species( Workman is the shit for finally coming up with the Monographs ) and varieties of Copelandia species.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Growth Parameters [Re: Teonan]
#8333373 - 04/27/08 06:37 AM (7 months, 5 days ago) |
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I had a good friend in northern michigan grow his pan cyan spawn outdoors in the spring time with great success. Temps ranged up to 75-80 during the day, but usually hung around 50-60, sometimes dropping into the 30s at night. Let me be clear, the high temps of 75-80 were the exception rather than the rule. I would guess the average temps were around 60 and he had great success.
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