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 Zinglons Acolyte
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 Bridgesii seedlings: regular or monstrose? 
#8181411 - 03/22/08 11:15 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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ive been looking around and i think that if they were regular bridgesiis, then they should alreay have spines by now
if they are monstroses im going to buy a shitload of pereskis and graft em all
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Re: Bridgesii seedlings: regular or monstrose? [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
#8181496 - 03/22/08 11:36 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow man. Those are still their cotyledons - the two little nipples at the tip. The actual stem with spines will come out of that little pore between them. If it's been a long time, it's because they're growing slowly. They are still very young.
I think 1 in 1000 cactus seeds is monstrose or cristate. To have all of your seedlings in one sowing be monstrose, you'd have hit the motherlode. If that happened I would track down and buy the plant they came from.
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Re: Bridgesii seedlings: regular or monstrose? [Re: Taharka]
#8181535 - 03/22/08 11:46 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Taharka said:
Wow man. Those are still their cotyledons - the two little nipples at the tip. The actual stem with spines will come out of that little pore between them. If it's been a long time, it's because they're growing slowly. They are still very young.
I think 1 in 1000 cactus seeds is monstrose or cristate. To have all of your seedlings in one sowing be monstrose, you'd have hit the motherlode. If that happened I would track down and buy the plant they came from.
i was under the impression that monstrose was a particular cultivar of trichocereus bridgesii, i havent studied cactus husbandry very well
yes, i just looked it up and monstrose (aka penis plant) is a cultivar, not just a random mutation/condition
i planted these a month ago yesterday and i got about 50% germination rate
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Re: Bridgesii seedlings: regular or monstrose? [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
#8181648 - 03/23/08 12:12 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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They definately should have got spines by now (judging from other trichos).. Thats pretty weird, i was just about to make a post about monstrose seedlings at that very moment.
I have a few weird looking seedlings, what do you guys think?
Side shot of what likes like two seedlings joined together at the base, both 'heads' have 3 cotyledons.
Top view, the seedling has a total of 6 cotyledons, they usually have 2 at this age.
This cacti has 3 cotyledons.. Weird, i guess it will just have lots of ribs when it gets bigger.
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Re: Bridgesii seedlings: regular or monstrose? [Re: scruffymafia]
#8182031 - 03/23/08 01:45 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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scruffymafia said:
They definately should have got spines by now (judging from other trichos).. Thats pretty weird, i was just about to make a post about monstrose seedlings at that very moment.
great minds think alike eh?
ya since ur are a couple weeks older than mine even, we migh have gotten the penis plant cultivar
so im gonna look for some regular variety seedlings too now
im looking up on the local chapter of the cacti and succulent society for a shitload of pereskis
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Re: Bridgesii seedlings: regular or monstrose? [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
#8182069 - 03/23/08 01:56 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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I love the cacti society, my local loves her trichocereus varieties. She has some huge pedros. Like 18inches thick and over 2 stories tall. Truly awe-inspiring.
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Re: Bridgesii seedlings: regular or monstrose? [Re: scruffymafia]
#8182100 - 03/23/08 02:07 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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to taharka
cristate is a mutation, monstrose is a cultivar
i can see how youd mix that up tho
even cristate can be passed on genetically tho
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Re: Bridgesii seedlings: regular or monstrose? [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
#8182196 - 03/23/08 02:42 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for clearing that up.
I've had seedlings w/ three cotyledons as well. They grew into pretty normal cacti though. Either way, all of the seedlings depicted here are still in the "seedling" stage. They don't have any growth higher than their cotyledons. So you can't tell yet if they are monstrose or not. Unless you think they're monstrose because they're growing so slowly?
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Re: Bridgesii seedlings: regular or monstrose? [Re: Taharka]
#8182397 - 03/23/08 04:12 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have a couple wierd cacti, ones trying to shoot its needles straight out the top, and looks a little different, one has two aeroles, with one being on top of the other so thier vertical looking but it only has two while others have 4, and one only has one.
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Re: Bridgesii seedlings: regular or monstrose? [Re: Taharka]
#8183341 - 03/23/08 03:01 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Taharka said:
Thanks for clearing that up.
I've had seedlings w/ three cotyledons as well. They grew into pretty normal cacti though. Either way, all of the seedlings depicted here are still in the "seedling" stage. They don't have any growth higher than their cotyledons. So you can't tell yet if they are monstrose or not. Unless you think they're monstrose because they're growing so slowly?
thanks for the inofo, im gonna save my money for the cacti and succulent show and buy as many pereskis as i possibly can, ive seen unas threads about grafting and ive come to the conclusion that pereski graft= cactus steroids
just one more question if anyone can answer, how are the growth parameters of a columnar cacti on a pereski as opposed to a button type cactus, i saw unas thread where he grafted a pachanoi seedling onto a pereski, but he didnt mention how much faster it grew compared to a regular pedro
has anyone tryed this or does anyone know how to get una back here?
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Re: Bridgesii seedlings: regular or monstrose? [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
#8183546 - 03/23/08 04:33 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have some pictures.
Here is an older Trich seedling. The first thing you will notice is a few spines poking out of the pore between the cotyledons. The main stem will follow. In this picture, the two left-over cotyledons are circled. If a stem sprouts up without spines, then I would think your cactus is monstrose. But it's too early to tell.
Here are two Pereskiopsis-grafted trichocereus. The picture was taken I think six months after the graft. When the 2nd one was grafted, the rings weren't lined up correctly. It grew very slowly and even sent roots down from the junction all the way into the soil.
 
And here's one of my two tricot seedlings. Nothing special became of him. You can see a spine poking up from between the cotyledons.
Tricho seedlins on their own roots always grew very slowly for me. They definately benefit from grafting. I think it does make them grow faster that older plants on their own roots.
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Re: Bridgesii seedlings: regular or monstrose? [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
#8184718 - 03/23/08 10:34 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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scruffymafia said:
They definately should have got spines by now (judging from other trichos).. Thats pretty weird, i was just about to make a post about monstrose seedlings at that very moment.
great minds think alike eh?
ya since ur are a couple weeks older than mine even, we migh have gotten the penis plant cultivar
so im gonna look for some regular variety seedlings too now
im looking up on the local chapter of the cacti and succulent society for a shitload of pereskis
I didn't think the "penis plant" clone B set flower. Maybe the A clone pupped some regular growth that matured to flowering stage.. Not really betting on it being commercially available and stabilized though.
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Re: Bridgesii seedlings: regular or monstrose? [Re: SheikCorp]
#8184790 - 03/23/08 10:48 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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You see cuttings sold at some sites. I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem for them to mass produce if they wanted to. Tissue culture is an option too. I haven't gotten one yet...
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Re: Bridgesii seedlings: regular or monstrose? [Re: Taharka]
#8184887 - 03/23/08 11:11 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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mebbe im speaking out of my ass here, but im pretty sure (getting less sure lol) that monstrose is a strain
either way
i just ordered 30 pereski cuttings and 40 peyote seeds as well for the hell of it, ill graft onto 20 right now, and let the other pereskis grow to make nmy own cuttings wile my lophophoras r germinating
how fast do pereskis grow on their own? closer to bamboo or to pedros?
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Re: Bridgesii seedlings: regular or monstrose? [Re: Taharka]
#8185162 - 03/24/08 12:05 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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You see cuttings sold at some sites. I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem for them to mass produce if they wanted to. Tissue culture is an option too. I haven't gotten one yet...
I was just saying it's highly unlikely that he got "penis plant" seeds.
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Re: Bridgesii seedlings: regular or monstrose? [Re: SheikCorp]
#8185558 - 03/24/08 01:27 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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SheikCorp said:
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Taharka said:
You see cuttings sold at some sites. I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem for them to mass produce if they wanted to. Tissue culture is an option too. I haven't gotten one yet...
I was just saying it's highly unlikely that he got "penis plant" seeds.
true, but there is anither form of monstrose
fuck.. i dont know im too tired to think... i wish i had some weed lol 
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Re: Bridgesii seedlings: regular or monstrose? [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
#8185610 - 03/24/08 01:44 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Im guessing monstrose is just latin for 'monsterous' or 'deviant' etc... Monstrose in my books is any cacti that takes on a very different form to usual. It could be any physical-genetic mutation.
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Re: Bridgesii seedlings: regular or monstrose? [Re: scruffymafia]
#8185649 - 03/24/08 01:56 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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scruffymafia said:
Im guessing monstrose is just latin for 'monsterous' or 'deviant' etc... Monstrose in my books is any cacti that takes on a very different form to usual. It could be any physical-genetic mutation.
yah what he said!
its just a matter of figuring out what the deal is with tbms
maybe ill be able to complete a coherent though in the morning, im going to bed now lol
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Re: Bridgesii seedlings: regular or monstrose? [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
#8188862 - 03/24/08 09:40 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Zinglons Acolyte said:
ive been looking around and i think that if they were regular bridgesiis, then they should alreay have spines by now
All of my Bridgesii seedlings looked like that at that size.
They eventually grew spines and are normal looking trichos.
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Re: Bridgesii seedlings: regular or monstrose? [Re: Ekstaza]
#8190377 - 03/25/08 07:43 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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yep me too
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