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 /How unhealthy are mornin glories
#8169426 - 03/19/08 09:49 PM (8 months, 12 days ago) |
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Someone I know has only gotten visuals with them once,... but has enjoyed a couple experiences....
anyhoo, everyone wants to know if these are unheathy...
a characteristic (obeservation) of the morning glory trip is a headache accompanyed by, but not always, a horrible naseau sensation...
they don't seem very healthy,
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Re: /How unhealthy are mornin glories [Re: RedRabbit]
#8169444 - 03/19/08 09:52 PM (8 months, 12 days ago) |
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From what I understand, most of the uncomfort comes from the seed hull. Which is why it's reccomended that one to an extraction. They are no more "unhealthy" than mescaline, psilocin, THC, DMT, etc. People that usually complain about such problems, grind them and eat them, or just chew them. That's usually when you get the extreme nausea and the what not.
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Re: /How unhealthy are mornin glories [Re: misos]
#8169449 - 03/19/08 09:54 PM (8 months, 12 days ago) |
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Are they tho>?? I had a differant thread were people were pressing me about it's neurotoxicty....
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Re: /How unhealthy are mornin glories [Re: RedRabbit]
#8169459 - 03/19/08 09:55 PM (8 months, 12 days ago) |
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Eh. I don't know about all that mumbojumbo. Everything in moderation my friend.
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Re: /How unhealthy are mornin glories [Re: RedRabbit]
#8169564 - 03/19/08 10:12 PM (8 months, 12 days ago) |
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I may only have very limited experience in this, but from that and based on what i've read I would not use Morning Glories for that. HBWR or even better an extraction of some sort would help. I tried doing a very simple half-assed extraction from about 1 gram of crushed up seeds... didn't do much except for some very minor nausea and borderline threshold effects. If you do it right it's probably nice, some people seem to enjoy it. Not sure how bad it really is for you, but in moderation I don't see why you wouldn't be fine. People do much worse on a regular basis and survive.
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Re: /How unhealthy are mornin glories [Re: RedRabbit]
#8169604 - 03/19/08 10:22 PM (8 months, 12 days ago) |
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I tried em twice threew up both times never really tried extraction but they always made my muscles reallt tighten up
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Re: /How unhealthy are mornin glories [Re: IAMenlightened]
#8169814 - 03/19/08 11:09 PM (8 months, 12 days ago) |
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I heard that companies spray the seeds with insecticides or preservatives and that the chemicals are the main cause of the nausea and the headaches
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Bubba McMushies said:
I heard that companies spray the seeds with insecticides or preservatives and that the chemicals are the main cause of the nausea and the headaches
seed companies deliberately poison morning glory seeds to "discourge drug abuse"
real fucking nice... poison people because they seek the spark of the devine
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Quote:
Zinglons Acolyte said:
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Bubba McMushies said:
I heard that companies spray the seeds with insecticides or preservatives and that the chemicals are the main cause of the nausea and the headaches
seed companies deliberately poison morning glory seeds to "discourge drug abuse"
real fucking nice... poison people because they seek the spark of the devine
There are companies (one you can buy at walmart) that do fuck you up!
but I have asked and asked again... and burpees seem to be clean...no pesticides..
the nasuea/headache comes from the toxins in the seed....
I tried untreated HBWR and
felt like I was smacked in the face with the flu
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Re: /How unhealthy are mornin glories [Re: RedRabbit]
#8173803 - 03/20/08 09:50 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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Burpees is an organic only company if I remember right. Also, as I stated before, the best, and probably only way to avoid most discomfort is through synthetic extractions... Ether is a watched chemical by the government, which is what is reccomended. There is a cold water extraction that is supposed to work. There is a fine line between flying high on LSA containing plants, and death. Be careful.
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Re: /How unhealthy are mornin glories [Re: misos]
#8173832 - 03/20/08 09:57 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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Even with a good extraction, LSA is a vasoconstrictor. I never got headaches, but it does cramp up my legs pretty bad. I hear that aspirin can counteract that problem, but haven't tried it yet.
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Re: /How unhealthy are mornin glories [Re: RedRabbit]
#8173867 - 03/20/08 10:05 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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Untreated seeds still bring the nausea, though I don't believe for a second that they are in any way toxic in the long term. They make your muscles sore, your veins feel like they are constricting, they make you feel like your guts are going to explode... but when you break through, all of it is worth it. It's almost like a spiritual toll you have to pay to experience what they have to show you. And there is a lot to see.
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Re: /How unhealthy are mornin glories [Re: slackophage]
#8173881 - 03/20/08 10:08 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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Many Home Depots stock Burpee seeds. Burpee is in Holland, and does not treat their seeds. IF you want un-treated seeds go to Home Depot, and don't pay extra for online sources. (If you're in the states)
I just drank a glass of water=400 seeds. 
*EDIT: Didn't read the whole thread people already said Burpee. So..more info.
Active Cultivar's:
Ipomoea Tricolor:
'Blue Star',
'Flying Saucers',
'Heavenly Blue',
'Heavenly Blue Improved',
'Pearly Gates',
'Rainbow Flash',
'Summer Skies',
'Wedding Bells'.
Ipomoea Purpurea:
'Crimson Rambler'
'Grandpa Ott's'
'Kniola's Black Knight'
'Star of Yelta'
Most people just list a few cultivars, but there's actually alot more, so a much larger majority of the seeds at nursery's are active than you think. 
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Re: /How unhealthy are mornin glories [Re: fall]
#8173920 - 03/20/08 10:15 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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fall said:
Untreated seeds still bring the nausea, though I don't believe for a second that they are in any way toxic in the long term.
I don't think the danger is so much long-term damage, but in dosing too much in too short of a time. There has so to be some health risks associated with too much vasoconstriction.
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Re: /How unhealthy are mornin glories [Re: Rabidbaboon]
#8173923 - 03/20/08 10:15 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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the big quetion is
IS LSA NUEROTOXIC and how much so?
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Re: /How unhealthy are morning glories [Re: Rabidbaboon]
#8173968 - 03/20/08 10:27 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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I think some of you guys are really acting up how bad the nausea and vasoconstricting properties of morning glory seeds are. Only 1 out of about 10 morning glory trips I have had have I thrown up. And during not one single trip have i gotten a leg or any other sort of cramp.
The reason I'm saying this is u guys may be psyching some people out of trying a really cheap, fun, spiritual psychedelic experience. I know i was really worried last Tuesday when i was about to do morning glory seeds for the first time this year. I kept reading really negative reports and experiences and even though my experiences have always been good i was really considering aborting my plan of doing morning glory seeds then some cubes. But i went through with my plan and experienced only slight nausea and no cramps and probably one of the best trips of my life.
Heres the link if ur interested in the report.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/8163661/an/0/page/0
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Re: /How unhealthy are morning glories [Re: Grill Master]
#8174071 - 03/20/08 10:44 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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I haven't ever puked, either. Just tripped very hard. I just spent a good few minutes searching around, looking for any reports of the stuff being toxic. It's clear the government knows people trip off of the stuff - it takes two seconds to find entire papers written on its use. But, no where could I find any reports, even by the government, that the stuff is in any way neurotoxic. The conclusion that leads me to, is that it really just isn't. If it was, you know the feds would be alllll over that.
I think the nausea and other "side effects" could be written off as just that, side effects.
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Re: /How unhealthy are mornin glories [Re: RedRabbit]
#8599276 - 07/06/08 12:11 AM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Yeah Morning Glory has a really big neurotoxicity as compared to things such as LSD or mescaline. Most of it however comes from the 'uncleaness' of the seed because there's a lot of chemicals that you don't really need, but harm you a lot. That's why everybody uses extraction methods. LSA extractions however are horrible and give you the feeling of 1/2 the dose you took because anything that isn't your stomach will poorly extract LSA. Use methods such as petroleum ether, that extract only the unwanted chemicals. Or even better, take Hawaiian Baby Woodrose, which GREATLY reduces the neurotoxicity since you need 4-8 for a regular dose trip, and you don't even need extractions.
But yeah MG can be VERY toxic in a way that it will mess up your brain chemistry especially for the first week after your trip is over. One of the things that happens are heavy mood swings, but remember this only increases as your use increases. MG and HBW are things that you want to mess around with 2-3 times before you get to the actual LSD or shrooms. I myself find it kind of a really weak long lasting high, it's apparently 5-10% of LSD.
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Re: /How unhealthy are mornin glories [Re: skaterickets]
#8599288 - 07/06/08 12:17 AM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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sources? or you just pulling this outta ur ass?
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With this kind of non-statistical data there is no need for data. I never promised any sources, I'm saying this because I have friends who have tried MG and HBW a lot of times, and they admit it messed them up, and they are aware it's neurotoxic.
There is no 'source' for this I'm saying this because my friends have expereienced this and told me this. It's obvous that it's neurotoxic. Not as much as other people want you to think, but it certainly can be more than LSD because of all the excess chmicals which just do you harm, not to mention some seeds are chemically treated.
If you bothered to even look at the erowid vault of Morning Glory you will see that, and I'm not willing to take the time to point out specific articles to someone who is so quick to judge people's comments and then criticize them about it.
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Re: /How unhealthy are mornin glories [Re: skaterickets]
#8599449 - 07/06/08 01:17 AM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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ive read the erowid vaults pretty well, i dont recall anything about it being more toxic, except for speculation about cyanogenic glycocides
it can be more intense, and if u eat the seeds you get some non-polar nasties, but overall the whole cyanide thing seems extremely unlikely
the nausea is primarily caused by the essential oils and such, plus the seretonin receptor controls nausea intrinsically
overall it varies from person to person anyway
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Re: /How unhealthy are mornin glories [Re: slackophage]
#8599629 - 07/06/08 02:33 AM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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I don't think the danger is so much long-term damage, but in dosing too much in too short of a time. There has so to be some health risks associated with too much vasoconstriction.
Yes, I'm quite sure that lysergic acid amides (LSAs) could cause death via ergotism or possibly stroke. These are potentially deadly substances.
The probable lethal dose for ergometrine (ergonovine, lysergic acid propanolamide) is estimated between 5 - 500 mg/kg (Gosselin, 1976). The same is estimated for lysergic acid amide (LSA).
Why does everyone refer to LSA in the singular? Morning Glories have more than just LSA in them. They have a bunch of amides of lysergic acid in them.
I'm not sure that most or even many commercially available seeds are poisoned. I have only seen one reference saying that some commercial suppliers put emetic compounds on the seeds (substances that cause nausea). This is different than the wild rumours I have heard from people about companies treating seeds with mercury. I also don't find the seed extract at all nauseating, so I'm inclined to think that this simply isn't common practice. Anyway, if you're going to boldly accuse companies of "poisoning" seeds, then I suggest you substantiate that. As far as I'm concerned, you're just spreading rumours as irresponsibly as people who claim that "they spray mercury on the seeds to poison u d00d."
References
Gosselin, R.E., H.C. Hodge, R.P. Smith, and M.N. Gleason. Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products. 4th ed. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1976., p. II-146
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Re: /How unhealthy are mornin glories [Re: skaterickets]
#8599903 - 07/06/08 05:45 AM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Umm...the only thing I know of about morning glory seeds, is sometimes they are laced with a mild adulterant, which gives an upset stomach to the consumer if they eat enough. This is to prevent curious people/animals from eating them, because of their inducing effects, and so the seeds (if used for their original purpose), will turn into flowers.
But otherwise, as for the active ingrediant LSA? I don't know much about it.
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Re: /How unhealthy are mornin glories [Re: tyler_0_durden]
#8599973 - 07/06/08 06:53 AM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Ive always heard to just stay away from them. they grow around here and people have died from them a wile back. ive heard there pretty bad. i dunno bout them tho
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Re: /How unhealthy are mornin glories [Re: TheCityBeef]
#8599993 - 07/06/08 07:18 AM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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I wouldnt be to concerned about toxicity unless you are going for a heroic dose of seeds. I have tripped on these things plenty of times, and at worse I have gotten nausea and cramps from vasoconstriction. And apparently, LSA is the culprit for the vasoconstriction anyways, so doing an extraction of the seeds will not rid you of the side |
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