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 Zinglons Acolyte
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 Re: /How unhealthy are mornin glories [Re: skaterickets]
#8599449 - 07/06/08 01:17 AM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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ive read the erowid vaults pretty well, i dont recall anything about it being more toxic, except for speculation about cyanogenic glycocides
it can be more intense, and if u eat the seeds you get some non-polar nasties, but overall the whole cyanide thing seems extremely unlikely
the nausea is primarily caused by the essential oils and such, plus the seretonin receptor controls nausea intrinsically
overall it varies from person to person anyway
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Plasmid
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Re: /How unhealthy are mornin glories [Re: slackophage]
#8599629 - 07/06/08 02:33 AM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Quote:
slackophage said:
I don't think the danger is so much long-term damage, but in dosing too much in too short of a time. There has so to be some health risks associated with too much vasoconstriction.
Yes, I'm quite sure that lysergic acid amides (LSAs) could cause death via ergotism or possibly stroke. These are potentially deadly substances.
The probable lethal dose for ergometrine (ergonovine, lysergic acid propanolamide) is estimated between 5 - 500 mg/kg (Gosselin, 1976). The same is estimated for lysergic acid amide (LSA).
Why does everyone refer to LSA in the singular? Morning Glories have more than just LSA in them. They have a bunch of amides of lysergic acid in them.
I'm not sure that most or even many commercially available seeds are poisoned. I have only seen one reference saying that some commercial suppliers put emetic compounds on the seeds (substances that cause nausea). This is different than the wild rumours I have heard from people about companies treating seeds with mercury. I also don't find the seed extract at all nauseating, so I'm inclined to think that this simply isn't common practice. Anyway, if you're going to boldly accuse companies of "poisoning" seeds, then I suggest you substantiate that. As far as I'm concerned, you're just spreading rumours as irresponsibly as people who claim that "they spray mercury on the seeds to poison u d00d."
References
Gosselin, R.E., H.C. Hodge, R.P. Smith, and M.N. Gleason. Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products. 4th ed. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1976., p. II-146
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tyler_0_durden
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Re: /How unhealthy are mornin glories [Re: skaterickets]
#8599903 - 07/06/08 05:45 AM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Umm...the only thing I know of about morning glory seeds, is sometimes they are laced with a mild adulterant, which gives an upset stomach to the consumer if they eat enough. This is to prevent curious people/animals from eating them, because of their inducing effects, and so the seeds (if used for their original purpose), will turn into flowers.
But otherwise, as for the active ingrediant LSA? I don't know much about it.
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TheCityBeef
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Re: /How unhealthy are mornin glories [Re: tyler_0_durden]
#8599973 - 07/06/08 06:53 AM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Ive always heard to just stay away from them. they grow around here and people have died from them a wile back. ive heard there pretty bad. i dunno bout them tho
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satyr
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Re: /How unhealthy are mornin glories [Re: TheCityBeef]
#8599993 - 07/06/08 07:18 AM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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I wouldnt be to concerned about toxicity unless you are going for a heroic dose of seeds. I have tripped on these things plenty of times, and at worse I have gotten nausea and cramps from vasoconstriction. And apparently, LSA is the culprit for the vasoconstriction anyways, so doing an extraction of the seeds will not rid you of the side effects; plus you'd be getting rid of other amides that contribute to the trip, some of which are believed to be more psychedelic than LSA itself. That being said, YES, vasoconstriction can be harmful, as it can cause hypertension, which can be especially risky for those who already have high blood pressure.
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TheCityBeef
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Re: /How unhealthy are mornin glories [Re: satyr]
#8600098 - 07/06/08 08:46 AM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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nvm i was thinking about angel trumpets that are native here there a flower and people have died from them. I have no idea about morning glories
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