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 BlindSophist
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 breakthrough without elves 
#8157504 - 03/17/08 01:01 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I broke through on DMT last night (I think). I didn't see any elves, but something pretty fucking amazing definitely happened. The last few days have taught me a hard lesson that I've been waiting on way too long, which is that smoking DMT out of the tweak pipe is for losers who want to look cool by using hard drug paraphernalia (like me). The bong is an infinitely superior method.
So to the trip. I tripped twice last night. My first trip was underwhelming; I think I put too little weed in the top. I was specifically aiming for a breakthrough, but my first trip was mild, a series of complex visuals lasting five minutes; the type of experience with DMT I have grown very used to.
So with that in mind, I loaded up a fuck-ton of DMT in the bowl along with a fuck-ton of weed, for safety's sake. I wasn't playing around anymore. I inhaled as much of the vapor as possible. I can't remember if I took three or four hits, but my world was exploding by the time I put down the bong. Almost immediately, I had forgotten I had even done any drugs, and instead struggled to understand why my entire sensory experience was crumbling; I felt like I had been taken seriously ill and lost control of my body as my vision and sensation melted into a soup of patterns and weirdness.
I can't say, chronologically speaking, how this experience led into the next. I had become a beam of energy; coarse, raw, blasted out of my past life into the next. I wondered how this had happened; I knew I didn't really die, but what the fuck HAD happened? Was it the end of time? Did 2012 hit? After all, I was experiencing a new phase of reality. The strangest part of it was that my internal monologue was almost sober in the way it reacted to being propelled into another reality.
Next, the weirdness intensified. This part of the trip I'm having extreme difficulty trying to articulate, because it was not strictly visual at all. All of my senses - but mainly sight, sound, and touch - were rolling around and playing with each other. My memories and experiences were transformed into a strange mosaic that pumped away with the regularity of, but with a whole different rhythm from, my heartbeat. All my senses were rolled together into a series of symbols that could be seen, felt, and heard all at once, a tangible language of my experience. I'm finding now that I really can't explain this part for a damn, because it was so much more than that I can't even describe it. I sat there, pushing away at something; like I was trying to swallow something tremendously huge, or trying to squeeze something out of myself, and it was all I knew. I could see the struggle as a contracting and expanding... thing made of green and yellow. I saw many other visuals as well, technological and organic indescribables thumping away, though I didn't "grab hold" of anything I saw, my mind simply struggling to swallow what had happened to it. I began to sense I had altered myself, that this was in fact not ordinary reality, that it had changed somehow.
The chronology here is very confusing. But eventually, I practically felt I had given birth to myself. I got up and walked around my room a bit while still completely in DMT-land, exploring yet another new reality. There were no black lines, and it seemed the borders of objects were infused with colorful, psychedelic energy. I could see the details of my room very clearly, but consciously had very little recollection of my past life in this room. It was all such a mess, which usually bothers me, but I saw the mess as a playground. I stumbled around poking at things, looking behind all the weird little items I had left lying around. I felt my previous reality had been a painful struggle wherein I made messes, but I had transcended into the next reality where I was free to explore this fascinating, nuanced, unique mess like it was a museum. Eventually I lay down and my mind began the slow process of returning to reality. As I was coming down I consciously had to fish my identity back up out of the chaos, remind myself that I was just a single human being with a temporary, self-controlled life. I wanted nothing more than to be a person again.
This is the worst trip report I've ever written. My entire experience last night is the most indescribable thing I've felt on drugs by many orders of magnitude. The way my mind grappled with the drug surprises me; throughout the entire experience I was struggling to explain what had happened to me, but I avoided the obvious "I'm on drugs" answer because it seemed too powerful to have been caused by drugs. There was a constant feeling of coming to life as something new. Although the trip is obviously over by now, it stays with me in strange ways. At any moment I can choose to reexperience my senses as I did last night, a trancelike vortex of colors, sounds, feelings, pure experience. It's the synaesthesia generated by existence itself. My life feels like a playground.
So I didn't see any entities. But to say I tripped balls is an understatement. I felt I had died, and I awakened into a new reality; is that not what it means to break through? I've read not everybody sees the entities. This trip completely redefines psychedelics for me as a whole. In my years of studying the nature of tripping, reading experience reports, trying to wrap my brain around all of it, I never came remotely close to imagining or predicting what this experience would feel like. It was eternity crammed into ten minutes, it was the next world.
I'm really rambling here, but that's because I haven't even chipped the surface in this post. I'm going to reflect on it further. I am DEFINITELY going to smoke DMT again, and perhaps make some more sense of the swirling maelstrom of experience it thrust me into.
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Love of one is a barbarism; for it is exercised at the expense of all others. The love of God, too.
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Edited by Tchan909 (03/17/08 01:20 PM)
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 Feanor
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 Re: breakthrough without elves [Re: BlindSophist]
#8157709 - 03/17/08 01:48 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the update! I've been waiting to hear about you breaking through. 
Yes, you sir, had a breakthrough. Like one of my mentors said to me after my first breakthrough, "I don't know whether to say congrats or sorry!" 
Really, the best way to vaporize DMT is just out of a freebase pipe. A bong, weed, etc. is not necessary; that could be the reason why you hadn't broken through before. All you need to do is turn a large amount of DMT into vapor and get it inside your lungs. A freebase pipe is the most efficient way to do this. Just vaporize it for a long time, and, when you see that everything has turned to vapor, hit the shit out of it. When you sandwhich the DMT inside of weed, you can't really tell if all of the DMT is being vaporized, and I personally believe that the flame is presenting too much heat. Glass protects the DMT a hell of a lot better than weed. You'll breakthrough everytime you wish with a freebase pipe; just load a large dose and vape it all.
Some people get Elves, and some people don't.  From your description, it's obvious that what you experienced was a breakthrough. Also, it's important to bear in mind that it is your interpretation of the experience that truly determines what happened.
Remember, you can't explain the inexplainable; you can only attempt to.
Well, reading what you wrote highly reflects my beliefs, and therefore, I have a question for you.
Wouldn't you say that a DMT breakthrough, not just a minor DMT trip, takes you beyond the psychedelic? I do not understand why so many people classify DMT as a psychedelic. For me, it's like a post-psychedelic, a form of extraterrestrial transporation. Personally, I think that DMT is humanity's flying saucer.
Well, I think it's safe to say that you now know why Terence McKenna thought the way he did. 
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BlindSophist
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Re: breakthrough without elves [Re: Feanor]
#8157787 - 03/17/08 02:06 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Feanor said:
Wouldn't you say that a DMT breakthrough, not just a minor DMT trip, takes you beyond the psychedelic? I do not understand why so many people classify DMT as a psychedelic. For me, it's like a post-psychedelic, a form of extraterrestrial transporation. Personally, I think that DMT is humanity's flying saucer.
Post-psychedelic is definitely a good way to describe it. I've tripped on mushrooms and acid a lot of times, and low doses of DMT are somewhat similar to this. However, breaking through on DMT is different. EXTREMELY different. I don't think it's even right to call it "tripping." I wonder if similar experiences would result from massive doses of LSD or mushrooms, but if they did, I don't know if I'd want to deal with it given the chronology of those drugs.
As for the freebase pipe, it's only recent that I tried NOT smoking out of a freebase pipe. It seems like no matter how much DMT I load in one of those things, I can't vaporize and inhale it all in time, and a lot of it winds up getting burnt. I think I just don't know how to use it right. I like the bong a lot because it goes down so smooth and it's easy to continue using as the DMT starts to kick in (once it's lit, just inhale), but I'll certainly try the pipe again.
Either way, I've used up a lot of DMT in the last few days, and it's time for me to replenish my supply.
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Love of one is a barbarism; for it is exercised at the expense of all others. The love of God, too.
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Re: breakthrough without elves [Re: BlindSophist]
#8157830 - 03/17/08 02:17 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Those three posts left me drooling.
Congradulations on your breakthrough.
I may have to order some MH root bark soon.
(That took me so long to type)
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BlindSophist
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Re: breakthrough without elves [Re: bryguy27007]
#8158089 - 03/17/08 03:31 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good luck! DMT extraction is ridiculously easy.
Now that I've been down for a while I'm starting to realize that, by far, the most difficult aspect of the DMT experience is dragging it out of your head and into the world of comprehension. We need a new language, or something.
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Love of one is a barbarism; for it is exercised at the expense of all others. The love of God, too.
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Re: breakthrough without elves [Re: BlindSophist]
#8158151 - 03/17/08 03:48 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I want to try it, but I'm afraid of it being as uncomfortable as salvia. I hate that shit.
Which extraction did you use?
Got a link, or just pH3 to extract into water, then adjust to pH9, add naphtha, then evaporate the naphtha?
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Re: breakthrough without elves [Re: BlindSophist]
#8158164 - 03/17/08 03:54 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think it's interesting that one might want to unclassify DMT as a psychedelic due it's nature. I'm yet to try it myself (I definitely will, I am just yet to) but from all the things I've read, I would be much more lead to classify DMT as THE ONLY psychedelic.
It often seems to me like the other psychedelics are just chemical reflections of DMT.
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Re: breakthrough without elves [Re: BlindSophist]
#8158198 - 03/17/08 04:02 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I can't remember if I took three or four hit...
I know what you're thinking. "Did he take six bonghits or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is DMT, the most powerful pyschedelic in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself a question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?
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04281969
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I don't know. I guess it depends on your definition of psychedelic, but I know for sure that LSD is a true psychedelic.
I've seen frost on a window turn into a fabric television screen displaying a scene from the civil war. I've seen people turn into monsters, trees turn into Teddy bears, little balls ride over the edges of all surfaces. That's just simple visuals, but that's pretty psychedelic.
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Re: breakthrough without elves [Re: BlindSophist]
#8158229 - 03/17/08 04:09 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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So I didn't see any entities.
McKenna would not be pleased. 
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BlindSophist
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I've been considering this possibility too, that other psychedelics work because they clog up the brain's "normal" DMT system. I put "normal" in quotes there because there's nothing normal about the DMT experience, but being that it is a neurotransmitter it seems safe to say LSD works based on its similarities to DMT, not the other way around.
That said, I'm eating a few hits of acid tonight. I can't wait to see what it's like after last night's episode.
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Love of one is a barbarism; for it is exercised at the expense of all others. The love of God, too.
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Re: breakthrough without elves [Re: 04281969]
#8158864 - 03/17/08 06:32 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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04281969 said:
I don't know. I guess it depends on your definition of psychedelic, but I know for sure that LSD is a true psychedelic.
I've seen frost on a window turn into a fabric television screen displaying a scene from the civil war. I've seen people turn into monsters, trees turn into Teddy bears, little balls ride over the edges of all surfaces. That's just simple visuals, but that's pretty psychedelic.
Yeah, and personally I do tend to agree with that.
I think the guy who killed himself by injecting 300mg of LSD probably reached quite a profound level of existence, if you will.
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Re: breakthrough without elves [Re: 04281969]
#8159326 - 03/17/08 08:11 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
04281969 said:
I don't know. I guess it depends on your definition of psychedelic, but I know for sure that LSD is a true psychedelic.
I've seen frost on a window turn into a fabric television screen displaying a scene from the civil war. I've seen people turn into monsters, trees turn into Teddy bears, little balls ride over the edges of all surfaces. That's just simple visuals, but that's pretty psychedelic.
The visuals are the least interesting aspect of LSD. Not to say that the visuals are not brilliant - they are some of the most beautiful things I've ever seen.
But for me, it's almost like LSD just blasts your mind and concept of reality open in ways that you never knew possible, then the visuals are just sort of the 'petty picture show' while you start to piece everything back together.
The mind games, letting your thoughts ramble, seeing the patterns in the world around you, reflecting on your past, present and future. Letting your mind wander back to old child hood memories. The reconnection to a sense of 'raw' emotion.
The visuals are amazing - the things I've seen have been amazing, being pulled into a psychedelic land and losing sense of my body / space / time and just 'being' - but there is so much more to LSD.
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Re: breakthrough without elves [Re: kaniz]
#8160493 - 03/18/08 12:52 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Interesting report... good post
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Re: breakthrough without elves [Re: andrewss]
#8160629 - 03/18/08 02:09 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Someone correct me if im wrong, but you are smoking DMT salt. Bong has water. Salt is soluble in water. Therefore sucking up most of your dmt.
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Re: breakthrough without elves [Re: smoke40s]
#8160676 - 03/18/08 02:44 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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DMT is very slightly soluble in water I believe.
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Re: breakthrough without elves [Re: BlindSophist]
#8161021 - 03/18/08 06:52 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said:
This is the worst trip report I've ever written.
It looks like a pretty good report to me. But yeah, I know what you mean. As descript as you were I'm sure it doesn't even come close to doing the experience justice.
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Re: breakthrough without elves [Re: kaniz]
#8161095 - 03/18/08 07:25 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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kaniz said:
...there is so much more to LSD.
Yea, absolutely. I was just speaking of one universally accepted fascet of the psychedelic experience. That's why I said, "that's just simple visuals, but..."
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Re: breakthrough without elves [Re: 04281969]
#8161206 - 03/18/08 07:58 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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beautiful.
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04281969
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Yea, that's a good report.
How was the comfort level on it? Was there any real terror while pushing away and swallowing green and yellow?
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