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 du981r
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 Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: psilophile82]
#8642783 - 07/16/08 01:54 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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I pick subbs in lawns in FL.
My patches stopped fruiting a month ago though.
Need the chemlawn guy to stop in my neighborhood again.
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went today and found a few more whatever you want to call these. Subbs, florida lawn pans, casters, gg's, whatever. Who is familiar with dosage/bioassay with these?
They're subbs, the lawn variety that grows everywhere.
I made tea with two ounces dry and put four people into a solid level "3".
I've also eaten 20 or 30 fresh and that gets me to a "1".
I would suggest making the tea and using the black currant recipe with these. I have yet to do this.
But
I'm too busy with these here other little pan-oids to worry about subb hunting...
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: du981r]
#8642899 - 07/16/08 02:19 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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gotta love the copes!!!
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: du981r]
#8642918 - 07/16/08 02:22 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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So, each person dosed 14 grams or so?
That seems off to me.
That's twice my highest subb dose. And while I feel I could go higher, I don't think I'd go 14 grams.
How did you make the tea?
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: El Zorro]
#8642990 - 07/16/08 02:37 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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About 18 months ago, a now removed friend of mine took 160 grams of fresh subbalteatus in a tea and tripped in my living room watching the visualizer till 5 in the morning.
I estimate that was about 16 grams dry. He also once took an ounce of cubensis when he lived back in georgia. He tripped incredibly hard. He didnt talk much for several hours.
Anyone beat 16(dry)/160(wet) grams at once?
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: El Zorro]
#8643009 - 07/16/08 02:40 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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pulled a little hand full from my garden this morning but the bugs and slugs destroyed them
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: El Zorro]
#8643421 - 07/16/08 04:07 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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El Zorro said:
So, each person dosed 14 grams or so?
That seems off to me.
That's twice my highest subb dose. And while I feel I could go higher, I don't think I'd go 14 grams.
How did you make the tea?
Yup, weighed out and everything.
These were all subbs found in fertilized lawns in central florida, noe foes.
I've yet to find a foe here.
I steeped the two dry ounces of subbs in four and a half cups of slightly less than boiling filtered water, added the juice from a fresh lemon, let it sit a few hours until just a bit warm, added sugar, served and had a wonderful trip.
this is a pick I put up earlier in the year,
but these were in the tea.
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: du981r]
#8643456 - 07/16/08 04:14 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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14 grms is nice ive done massive doses of subbs like that before. Everybody has a different tolerance to psilocybin, psilocin sum are higher than others. I always dose big
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: du981r]
#8643487 - 07/16/08 04:22 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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I'm not doubting you, so don't take this wrong.
But those in that picture look like the foes that grow in my area.
If you had posted that pic as an ID request, I would have said Foes.
If I find mushrooms around here that have that light colored and watery looking stems, they are foes. Maybe the Subbs in your area have lighter more watery looking stems than they do around here. Usually the very light colored stems on the Subbs in my area is caused by sun drying and they of course won't be watery in that condition.
But, to be clear, I'm NOT doubting you.
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: weiliiiiiii]
#8643550 - 07/16/08 04:35 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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weiliiiiiii said:
14 grms is nice ive done massive doses of subbs like that before. Everybody has a different tolerance to psilocybin, psilocin sum are higher than others. I always dose big
Admittedly it DOES seem like a massive dose. But did those massive doses take you only to a level 3 ?
I know I have a relatively high tolerance. I have done super massive doses of 4-ho-mipt. But I would imagine that 14 grams would have taken me farther than level 3.
I am always a little indecisive when dosing new Subb finds because they CAN be so variable in potency. That's why I always show an interest when other people share their dosage experience.
I know the dosage calculator is not really accurate, it says 6 grams for level 4, that's a little liberal in my experience. I did six grams at a concert and was able to handle myself just fine. I've done 3.5 grams while fishing and had quite an experience. So there is quite a bit of variance.
I'm always looking for more input.
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: El Zorro]
#8643693 - 07/16/08 05:00 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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Almost all the subbs i pick bruise blue and are highly active but only from a certain pasture. The others i find do not bruise blue and are less potent but good, but the highest level ive ever had with subbs is 3.
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: El Zorro]
#8643729 - 07/16/08 05:07 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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El Zorro said:
If I find mushrooms around here that have that light colored and watery looking stems, they are foes. Maybe the Subbs in your area have lighter more watery looking stems than they do around here.
what i've found is that it almost doesn't matter what the stem looks like, subbs have so many variations it's incredible. i also know that i have found subbs that look very much if not exactly like those.
Du981r, did you get spore prints?
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: alteredstates]
#8643912 - 07/16/08 05:42 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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alteredstates said:
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El Zorro said:
If I find mushrooms around here that have that light colored and watery looking stems, they are foes. Maybe the Subbs in your area have lighter more watery looking stems than they do around here.
what i've found is that it almost doesn't matter what the stem looks like, subbs have so many variations it's incredible. i also know that i have found subbs that look very much if not exactly like those.
Du981r, did you get spore prints?
Almost all of the ones I've been finding this year are already bright blue at the base when picked.
Some are blue about an inch up the stem.
Last years weren't so blue and less of them had bluing.
I would imagine these would be more potent,
BUT... Subbedhunter says he can't see any difference in potency by how much bluing they exibit.
He's also not the only one I've heard that from either.
It seems counterintuitive, but certainly possible
I haven't dosed any of this years subbs though so I can't say for sure yet if the amount of bluing makes any difference to me.
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: El Zorro]
#8643937 - 07/16/08 05:50 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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i've never noticed a difference in trips with subbs, it has been dependant on how much i dose. their trips are pretty predictable once you know what gets you there.
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du981r
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: alteredstates]
#8644004 - 07/16/08 06:12 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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alteredstates said:
...Du981r, did you get spore prints?
Yeah, I was printing all my collections of subbs for a month or so when they were fruiting strongly here.
I have yet to find a foe.
I thought, too, that the juicy stems were maybe not subbs, but then I started looking closely and was finding watery stems with blue myecelia, black prints. I think that is mainly a factor of age of the shroom and how much water is on the lawn when it develops.
edit: Its interesting but I find the same sort of stem juiciness and color variation in my copelandia collections.
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: du981r]
#8645355 - 07/17/08 12:13 AM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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just a heads up... a jewish traveler and another friend of mine are pretending to dose the infamous "Balloon"/panaeolopsis at an 8th dry each. ill let you guys know what i get out of it. This is mostly dedicated to subbhunter, atlerstate, and cure cat as they show the most interest.
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: LagunaMuckHunta]
#8645618 - 07/17/08 02:30 AM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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usually when i pick subbs i leave the pins and come back for them when theyre bigger. but now that i think about it, as there is only a finite amount of nutrients in the lawn won't the total biomass be the same no matter what stage the pins are in. im probably wrong, but can anyone tell me why?
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: doitagain]
#8645842 - 07/17/08 06:21 AM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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As you may have read i ate an 1/8 of the panaoelopsis/ "balloon mushroom." i felt no side effects whats so ever. i didnt make tea, just ate them straight with oj. now we cant conclude they are not active, maybe at higher doses. but anything eatin at an 1/8 should do something.
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: LagunaMuckHunta]
#8646762 - 07/17/08 12:13 PM (4 months, 16 days ago) |
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LagunaMuckHunta said:
just a heads up... a jewish traveler and another friend of mine are pretending to dose the infamous "Balloon"/panaeolopsis at an 8th dry each.
first of all, what?
second, an eigth should do it. are you sure they are panaeolopsis?
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: LagunaMuckHunta]
#8646790 - 07/17/08 12:20 PM (4 months, 16 days ago) |
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LagunaMuckHunta said:
As you may have read i ate an 1/8 of the panaoelopsis/ "balloon mushroom." i felt no side effects whats so ever. i didnt make tea, just ate them straight with oj. now we cant conclude they are not active, maybe at higher doses. but anything eatin at an 1/8 should do something.
Im confused. Did they work for you or no?
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: Subbedhunter420]
#8646799 - 07/17/08 12:23 PM (4 months, 16 days ago) |
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Potency for subbs varies ten fold according to paul stamets.
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