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 Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: coolboarderguy]
#8247254 - 04/06/08 04:32 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Look like stropharia semiglobata to me.
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: coolboarderguy]
#8247365 - 04/06/08 05:05 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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foes tend to have thicker stems than subbs, but subbs have firmer stems.
in my experience, anyway. And I've found lots.
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: PinheadX]
#8248319 - 04/06/08 08:54 PM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
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i agree with semiglobata.
burt I also find the opposite of pinhead in most cases. Yes, there are many subbs with thinner stems but this is because subbs get extremely skinny and long when they are given too much CO2.
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: coolboarderguy]
#8248367 - 04/06/08 09:06 PM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
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coolboarderguy said:
Ok its day 3 on the indoor hay. Its looking like they arent subbs but Take a look, any idea of what they are? Dont have a spore print yet, Will get one when they are fully grown.
I think they're probably a Bolbitius of some kind, maybe Bolbitius vitellinus.
Yeah, from my finds with subbs it really depends on the substrate. Up here, if they're growing in tall grass they tend to have pretty skinny stems, often times skinnier than foes. If in shorter grass, like in newly laid sod, they're a little fatter, and in manure piles, they can be really fat.
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: landsnorkler]
#8248611 - 04/06/08 09:56 PM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
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I think our humidity may hold CO2 levels higher in subb patches here... I very rarely find thick stemmed subbs. I do find thicker stemmed foes though.
I found a handful of thick stemmed subbs last year, but that would have been about 1% of the total thick stemmed subb finds I had. Interestingly enough, they were all found in the same area, so it could have been shorter grass at the time, or it could have been cooler and breezier when they were fruiting. I don't know... we had a weird weather year last year.
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: PinheadX]
#8248665 - 04/06/08 10:08 PM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
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-I think our humidity may hold CO2 levels higher in subb patches here... I very rarely find thick stemmed subbs. I do find thicker stemmed foes though.
Come to think of it, most subb pics I've seen from the gulf coast do tend to have pretty skinny stems. I didn't know about the CO2 causing skinnier stems, that's interesting.
I just did a brief search, and couldn't find wether or not CO2 levels are higher in humid climates. Anyone?
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: landsnorkler]
#8248761 - 04/06/08 10:28 PM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
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around the PNW eugene area Ive found them to be thicker stems than the foes. More brittle though. Snaps really easily.
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: coolboarderguy]
#8250335 - 04/07/08 11:40 AM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
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I know CO2 levels are higher at high altitiude,
but its more about if theyre in tall grass or in a corner that cant get fresh air in it. the grass around them prevents more air exchange. thus, they need to be taller to get over the grass.
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: Subbedhunter420]
#8251527 - 04/07/08 04:28 PM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
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hey guys, Im from australia and have noticed in my uncles extremely well maintained "santa anna" lawn (cut low and flat like bowling green, regular high nitrogen fertz, flooded with water often) that he has started getting what looks and certainly is pannolina sp? foes. This has started occuring since temps dropped, and came on hard with the last fertilizing and they dont seem to come up in the same spot again, moving all over the place with no pattern.
I have noticed also that you friendly american folk find foes, near subbalteatus, what Im asking is has it been observed that outside of their home towns sorta thing, is it hard and fast for foes to fruit then subbs could be around.
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: myrealname]
#8251597 - 04/07/08 04:45 PM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
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foes fruit extremely fast and are extremely common. when a foe is found, there are likely thousands fruiting simultaneously in the region. they grow usually in a day or two. sometimes overnight after a rain.
Subbalteatus can grow in the same locations as foenisecci, but Subbalteatus grow in different nutrients. They are a coprophilic species while panaeolina grow in grass. This means that yes, they can grow alongside one another but the substrate must have the right nutrients for the subbs to grow. this usually means there must be either manure present, decomposing vegetation like grass clippings, or something like straw or sod.
The fertilizer cant be the little pellets. It either must be manure, sod, or the grass clippings. Im sure theres other methods to bring them about though. I am not all knowin in their habitats. Im still being surprised with where I find em. I recently found some in a woodchip bed mixed with manure. and also growing straight out of dirt under a sprinkler. Im sure theres some kind of nutrient like manure in the soil though.
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: Subbedhunter420]
#8256567 - 04/08/08 06:24 PM (4 months, 25 days ago) |
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such a great explanation man, cheers 
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: landsnorkler]
#8282725 - 04/14/08 03:18 PM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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Thought I would share some recent finds. Founds some nice subbs and some kind of what I think to be Pan. species. Any help?
2nd species was found around horse stables. No subbs growing there just these...
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: coolboarderguy]
#8282794 - 04/14/08 03:38 PM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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great shots as usual, no idea on that pan species.
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: doitagain]
#8282932 - 04/14/08 04:17 PM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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awesome subbs man! some nice panaeolus too. What habitat did you find the subbs on though? same as the others?
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: Subbedhunter420]
#8283006 - 04/14/08 04:38 PM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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Heres some subbalteatus from a landscaping area. I have never seen subbs grow in unsheltered dirt until I came here.
And some growing out of the planters.
 
 
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: Subbedhunter420]
#8283026 - 04/14/08 04:46 PM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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Awesome subbs guys.
Coolboarder, I think your unknowns are Panaeolus papillionaceus.
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: landsnorkler]
#8283503 - 04/14/08 06:44 PM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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I found these subbs in the same rotting hay pile as I always find them. only found about 1.3 oz wet this time. Still a bit cold. THey are starting to pop up in more areas on this pile. Every other hay pile that ive found around the eugene corvallis area doesnt have any growing out of them, just this one pile! The ones growing out of the grass, is just grass growing on the hay....
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: landsnorkler]
#8284670 - 04/14/08 10:34 PM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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Nice finds!!!!!
I second, the Panaeolus papillionaceus I.D. ...... 98%
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: unretarded]
#8284736 - 04/14/08 10:48 PM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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I looked those up and some people say they are active at least some of them... Supposed to contain psilocybin, anyo ever eaten them??
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Re: Official 2008 Panaeolus subbalteatus Thread [Re: coolboarderguy]
#8288192 - 04/15/08 06:42 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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wow. i will have pictures whenever i can find our digital camera, but while morel hunting and lamenting over the lack of active species in North Carolina i found about a whole fucking sq mile covered in panaeolus. not sure which species, waiting on the spore prints.
the habitat was the ground above a sewage/water pipeline that runs through a beautiful forrested area near a very large creek. to my surprise i followed this densely fruiting mushroom (it was hard not to step on them, they were everywhere) into a suburban neighborhood under construction with lots of hay/sod on the lots. and then i discovered that there was another path running through the woods. i followed this mainly as a way to get home thinking my hunting was over, but in various grassy glades near the creek were even more of these mushies.
if they turn out to be subbalteatus i estimate ill have access to at least 2 pounds. this could be an awesome summer!
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