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 OneMoreRobot3021
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 How much is too much?
#8116090 - 03/07/08 01:35 PM |
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Am I being excessive? It is so hard to balance my beliefs with the concerns of others. I understand my fervor and passion for the psychedelic experience is capable of blinding me should my usage go to excess, but I also have more faith in my own self-knowledge as far as my psychological capabilities are concerned. I know what I can take and what I can't. So far, in 2008, I've tripped 4 times in 9 weeks. 5 if you count New Year's Eve, technically I did dose after the ball dropped. It sounds like a lot, I know. But it feels fine. I feel fine.
I am okay. I'm not trying to convince anyone, I'm just letting the universe know it - I'm okay. And I might trip again soon, for all I know. And I think that's gonna be okay, too.
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Lion
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Are you gaining insight from your use of psychedelics? Are you attached to the things you experience on psychedelics? Do you think you'd be okay emotionally, mentally, spiritually, if you never tripped again in your life? Do you think psychedelics are part of a path to liberation from the small-self? How far can they take you on the path?
Just a few questions to consider as you continue your forays beyond the conventional mind. I am sure you already give plenty of thoughts to these questions, but it's worth being reminded that they're important ones to ask. Happy tripping. 
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 MOTH
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In my opinion it's only excessive if you get spooked by it.
For example, I was tripping 2-3x a week on strong doses of mushrooms for about two months straight. That was definitely excessive because I got spooked by it and soon my tolerance was incredible. (I took two weeks off and now it's back to normal) However, if I didn't get spooked, didn't get tolerance and I was able to live and work normally, then that wouldn't be excessive.
Now that I got that out of my system, I like waiting two weeks inbetween trips unless I hear otherwise from my being. Sometimes though, you just WANT to push the envelope and trip a lot. Nothing wrong with that, and eventually the drug will let you know when enough is enough.
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theorganicdomino
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How much is too much? You're sensible enough to answer that and hardly the reckless type.
You seem to have your head around this matter but I'll add my tuppence.
Over the past four years I've had about eighty psychedelic experiences (okay not quite the same regularity as you, but still fairly sizeable). Over that time I was dosing more and more frequently and with ever increasing sizes of dosage. I was compelled, obsessed, besotted with getting back into that state of mind, and further, as often as possible.
I feel I have grown more as a person in the past few years than any other period of my life and I have psychedelics and what those experiences lead me to investigate in everyday consciousness to thank.
I'm now calming it all down to just tripping a few times a year. Simply put - rather than the "see you soon" I sensed when I was tripping at least once a month the mushrooms have been telling me to "go away and think about things" for longer, which has transpired as being very revelatory and valuable.
MOTH sums it up perfectly with "the drug will let you know when enough is enough".
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OneMoreRobot3021
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Well this conversation kind of freaks me out. This girl I am friendly with and I are talking right now in IM's.
she: how often do you trip, would you say?
me: This year so far, a lot more frequently than usual..I'd say in general it probably evens out to about once a month, if you go back to my first and and average it out. This year's only 10 weeks old though and I've tripped about five times...but I mean, that mellow stuff we took at Alex Grey's for example...that should only count for like half .
she: agreed. but still. don't fry yourself.
me: I'm not going to, I promise.
she: okay, good.
me: It's like I was saying to you when we were sleepy MoMA zombies...I personally don't worry too much about frying myself, I have a lot of faith in my ability to have these experiences, process them, and not lose myself in the process...but I have people who love me who express a lot of worry, and I'm really sensitive to that. And it makes me realize me not being worried could be a bad thing that could blind me, so it's good that I have people who take the time to tell me to be careful.
she: yep. i mean, i trust you. but at the same time, it's quite a large percentage of what you talk about.
me: Yeah, I know. Is that "bad"?
she: when it outweighs things like books and your writing (when is not influenced by hallucinogens), and people and life stuff, it's a bit concerning, yeah.
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"The psychedelic experience - it has a tremendous force to revivify the spirit, particularly because it is not an ideology. It is not something someone 'figured out.' It is an EXPERIENCE. And this is important to bear in mind." - McKenna.
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MOTH
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Dude, just don't think too deeply about it. Psychedelics are a part of your life. They're a part of mine too. Trust yourself, not other people's impressions of you. Only YOU know what is going on with you, ya know? And honestly, everything is connected. As long as you use psychedelics as a tool to better your understanding of your unique Dream, I don't see the problem. I use psychedelics to give me information about my writing and my life. Nothing wrong with that...
I don't discuss my drug use with anyone who isn't Shroomery because yeah, just about everyone else doesn't understand why I use them as frequently as I do, and it's none of their business anyway. My focus when using psychedelics is CONSCIOUSNESS not psychedelics, psychedelics are just a way for me to broaden my understanding of consciousness.
Other people have a way of attaching their fear to your aura; it's a human vice that everyone does, but it sounds like you are very sensitive to this. Keep in mind that a lot of concern is just fear blanketed in kindness. You don't need other people's fear...
HOWEVER, if her response struck a nerve, then just take a little more time off between doses then you usually do. Don't get freaked.  YOU are the pilot of this human machine, and nobody else knows how to drive your vessel but you...
I didn't expect my response to get so passionate, but those are my true thoughts. Just TRUST YOURSELF and what you feel is true in your own spirit. That's your compass. 
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Re: How much is too much? [Re: MOTH]
#8147807 - 03/14/08 10:39 PM |
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What I meant to say: is trust your instincts. 
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OneMoreRobot3021
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Re: How much is too much? [Re: MOTH]
#8148074 - 03/15/08 12:03 AM |
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MOTH said:
Dude, just don't think too deeply about it. Psychedelics are a part of your life. They're a part of mine too. Trust yourself, not other people's impressions of you. Only YOU know what is going on with you, ya know? And honestly, everything is connected. As long as you use psychedelics as a tool to better your understanding of your unique Dream, I don't see the problem. I use psychedelics to give me information about my writing and my life. Nothing wrong with that...
I don't discuss my drug use with anyone who isn't Shroomery because yeah, just about everyone else doesn't understand why I use them as frequently as I do, and it's none of their business anyway. My focus when using psychedelics is CONSCIOUSNESS not psychedelics, psychedelics are just a way for me to broaden my understanding of consciousness.
Other people have a way of attaching their fear to your aura; it's a human vice that everyone does, but it sounds like you are very sensitive to this. Keep in mind that a lot of concern is just fear blanketed in kindness. You don't need other people's fear...
HOWEVER, if her response struck a nerve, then just take a little more time off between doses then you usually do. Don't get freaked. YOU are the pilot of this human machine, and nobody else knows how to drive your vessel but you...
I didn't expect my response to get so passionate, but those are my true thoughts. Just TRUST YOURSELF and what you feel is true in your own spirit. That's your compass.
God MOTH, I fucking love you. THanks so much for your response. I feel that we are two completely different people written on to one page in life's grand story. I love when you pose in my journal. Thank you.
"I don't discuss my drug use with anyone who isn't Shroomery because yeah, just about everyone else doesn't understand why I use them as frequently as I do, and it's none of their business anyway. "
I guess that's one area where you and I certainly differ. See to me, I take it as an affront to everything I believe in that that is how I probably SHOULD behave. I truly deeply stings and offends me that I "should" (hate that word) keep these things to myself. One of my many life goals is to, on a personal level with the people I personally interact with, smite that stigma against psychedelics and that stupid word, "drugs." I guess I this is part of that process. Feeling backlash even from those I am close with.
I can live with that. All I have to do is think back to the end of Tuesday night's acid trip. When I looked at myself in the mirror. "I love this guy," I said, patting my hands against my chest. Then I clenched my fists and screamed out a scream of utter joy, at being alive. It's a privilege. I'm happy with what I'm doing, and I'm grateful for the worriers among my friends, but I don't think anything will stop me at this point from doing what I want to do.
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"The psychedelic experience - it has a tremendous force to revivify the spirit, particularly because it is not an ideology. It is not something someone 'figured out.' It is an EXPERIENCE. And this is important to bear in mind." - McKenna.
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MOTH
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OneMoreRobot3021 said:
I truly deeply stings and offends me that I "should" (hate that word) keep these things to myself. One of my many life goals is to, on a personal level with the people I personally interact with, smite that stigma against psychedelics and that stupid word, "drugs." I guess I this is part of that process.
I certainly understand and respect that.  I do have a desire to be more open in my daily life with people about my psychedelic use; I admire your drive to eliminate the stigma and present psychedelics as a viable tool of self-reflection and growth to the masses. It's living the message. Actually I feel your attitude about this shows a lot of strength and courage. You're right in that unless we actually attempt to communicate the experience, the old cliches and stereotypes will reign supreme. In my mind, 'shoulds' are very limiting as well, and a symptom of fear. I do long to just "let it all hang out" to EVERYONE, just bare my soul to the Universe at Large, and psychedelics have definitely played a profound role in my evolution, so it seems almost RESPECTFUL not to be shy or afraid to reveal the METHOD to everyone who will listen.
You're a rainbow warrior and I find this inspiring.
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OneMoreRobot3021
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Re: How much is too much? [Re: Lion]
#8149047 - 03/15/08 11:19 AM |
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Lion said:
Are you gaining insight from your use of psychedelics?
Without question, yes. I think even when I take them on a whim, I submit myself to the experiences as learning experiences and I relish the opportunity to devote so much of my brainpower to the gaining insight into myself, the world around me, and my relationship to it.
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Are you attached to the things you experience on psychedelics?
Insofar as I think they are awesome and I want to talk about them, yes. I do talk about my experiences a lot. But I'm not "attached" to the things I experience in the sense that I long to be tripping whenever I am not. That's just not so...I don't spend my sober hours wishing I was tripping, even if I do look forward to the next time I trip, and look back fondly on the memories of recent trips.
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Do you think you'd be okay emotionally, mentally, spiritually, if you never tripped again in your life?
Yeah, I do.
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Do you think psychedelics are part of a path to liberation from the small-self? How far can they take you on the path?
I don't know that I want to use the same terminology you do. I think psychedelics are valuable tools for mind expansion, but that is all they are, tools, they are not an end unto themselves.
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Just a few questions to consider as you continue your forays beyond the conventional mind. I am sure you already give plenty of thoughts to these questions, but it's worth being reminded that they're important ones to ask. Happy tripping.
Thanks for your input.
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The Drug Policy Alliance Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies
"The psychedelic experience - it has a tremendous force to revivify the spirit, particularly because it is not an ideology. It is not something someone 'figured out.' It is an EXPERIENCE. And this is important to bear in mind." - McKenna.
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Lion
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I don't know that I want to use the same terminology you do.
Ain't nothin' wrong with that! 
It sounds like you carefully consider these experiences and where they fit in. I appreciate your constant contributions of insights you have gleaned. And I have to say, if I had easier access to psychedelics, I would probably trip about as often as you do.
So, anyway, this is unrelated but I'll ask you here: What's the deal with the Shpongle show(s) in NYC? Have they set a venue and such?
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OneMoreRobot3021
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Re: How much is too much? [Re: Lion]
#8152095 - 03/16/08 12:38 AM |
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