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 King Oyster - First grow from isolate - Photo Pictorial
#8149297 - 03/15/08 12:34 PM (8 months, 16 days ago) |
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I'll start this thread off by mentioning that I obtained a king oyster print. From there I isolated and isolated and knocked up a few jars of spawn. Now is the time to bulk it and grow it out.
I would like to do it out either of these two ways:
Nutrient enriched sawdust sterilzed in autoclavable bags; fruit from bags.
Nutrient enriched sawdust sterilzed and spawned in tubs as seen in another individuals post.
Tell me why I should do it the way you choose. If you have an alternate method, post it. I'll grow it out to the spec of the vote.
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Edited by Horse_Meister (03/17/08 09:11 PM)
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Re: King Oyster - First grow from isolate [Re: Horse_Meister]
#8149314 - 03/15/08 12:40 PM (8 months, 16 days ago) |
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Where will you fruit the kings? This matters! Tubs? Are you talking about mono-tubs or tubs that will be placed into a growth chamber.
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Re: King Oyster - First grow from isolate [Re: lipa]
#8149346 - 03/15/08 12:53 PM (8 months, 16 days ago) |
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Tell me what you think is best and why.
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Re: King Oyster - First grow from isolate [Re: Horse_Meister]
#8149495 - 03/15/08 01:34 PM (8 months, 16 days ago) |
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I have never myself grown king oyster! Though I have the estimated growth parameters that are given in books. They require less than 1000ppm to grow normal fruit bodies. Some strains probably less. Therefore you should have a chamber that exchanges at at a rate of 5-6 exchanges per hour. Bags and tubs are probably your best bet. Reason! depends on what type of fruit body you are going for. If you want a fruit body like similar to that you see sold in the store (large base with a cap) you should fruit them on a horizontal surface. Those grown from suspended bags tend to look more shelf like.
Solution! grow them in bags. That way if you want to poke holes and grow them off localized vertical sites on the bags side in a more shelf like form you can. If you want the more common stubby form with a cap, just pull back the plastic to expose the top and fruit them on a horizontal surface.
I think they prefer a casing so I would fruit them horizontally myself. I don't think it is necessary though with some strains.
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Re: King Oyster - First grow from isolate [Re: Horse_Meister]
#8149505 - 03/15/08 01:38 PM (8 months, 16 days ago) |
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Sorry I didn't say anything about the mono-tubs. Mono-tubs are only used for co2 tolerant species. The king oyster is not one of these.
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Re: King Oyster - First grow from isolate [Re: lipa]
#8149606 - 03/15/08 01:57 PM (8 months, 16 days ago) |
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The yield will be much better on the sawdust.
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Re: King Oyster - First grow from isolate [Re: YidakiMan]
#8149677 - 03/15/08 02:12 PM (8 months, 16 days ago) |
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Yidaki,
Are you comparing enriched sawdust to straightup sawdust? Explain yourself. (I'm not sure if you read all of my thread, that's why i'm asking) If not, I have only mentioned using enriched sawdust in my thread thus far.
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Re: King Oyster - First grow from isolate [Re: Horse_Meister]
#8150179 - 03/15/08 04:42 PM (8 months, 16 days ago) |
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Sorry I glanced over your post to quickly and didn't fully understand. I meant use autoclavable bags.
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Re: King Oyster - First grow from isolate [Re: YidakiMan]
#8153112 - 03/16/08 12:13 PM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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I have seen some of the most delicious and best eringii come off of sawdust. But there is more to the method of growing eringii than just fruiting it like other oyster.
-Graham
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 Re: King Oyster - First grow from isolate [Re: Cryogenicz]
#8153502 - 03/16/08 02:06 PM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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Graham,
your advice would be helpful seeing as there is more to it...
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Re: King Oyster - First grow from isolate [Re: Horse_Meister]
#8155550 - 03/16/08 10:42 PM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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bags youll have more surface area
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Re: King Oyster - First grow from isolate [Re: flushme]
#8155919 - 03/17/08 12:41 AM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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If you suppliment the sawdust, you have to keep it totally sterile during colonization, so that rules out bins. You'll want to use filter patch bags.
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Re: King Oyster - First grow from isolate [Re: Horse_Meister]
#8159166 - 03/17/08 08:43 PM (8 months, 14 days ago) |
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Thought I'd throw in a pictorial as I go along. Feel free to add your thoughts. RR, I'm following your recommendation...man of experience.
^^ 2 jars knocked up from isolate. Jars were shaken 2 days prior to photo, notice the quick recovery!
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Edited by Horse_Meister (03/17/08 09:09 PM)
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Re: King Oyster - First grow from isolate [Re: Horse_Meister]
#8180536 - 03/22/08 05:22 PM (8 months, 9 days ago) |
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Two photos of the same bag colonizing using one jar of spawn. Perhaps a waste using so much, but looking for success on the first few runs. The bags are colonizing on shelves in a slightly heated closet. Some of the moisture is evaporating leaving the top sawdust to dry. Thinking about putting the bags in a cooler to avoid moisture loss. Tell me what you think. I know the photos look like garbage.
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Re: King Oyster - First grow from isolate [Re: Horse_Meister]
#8181921 - 03/22/08 11:12 PM (8 months, 9 days ago) |
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Tip, While fruiting, pick all but a few most vigor pins.
Another tip, once you see pins, drop temp by 5-7 degrees for better fruits.
-Graham
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Re: King Oyster - First grow from isolate [Re: Cryogenicz]
#8182191 - 03/23/08 12:39 AM (8 months, 9 days ago) |
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I like to raise the temperature myself. 50-60 for pin initiation and on up to 70 to finish up the flush.
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Re: King Oyster - First grow from isolate [Re: Hotnuts]
#8183050 - 03/23/08 11:17 AM (8 months, 8 days ago) |
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If any of you have inspiring photos of your King Oyster grows, I encourage you to post them in this thread please!
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Re: King Oyster - First grow from isolate - Photo Pictorial [Re: Horse_Meister]
#8230938 - 04/02/08 09:39 PM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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The ultimate jar lid! Drill one hole, easily reusable...no rust.
One side of the bag.
The other side of the bag.
The bag in its fruiting environment. Do not mind the wet floor.
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Re: King Oyster - First grow from isolate - Photo Pictorial [Re: Horse_Meister]
#8231281 - 04/02/08 10:41 PM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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 lookin good
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Re: King Oyster - First grow from isolate - Photo Pictorial [Re: Horse_Meister]
#8285189 - 04/15/08 12:51 AM (7 months, 17 days ago) |
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they seem to do better aesthetically when fruited horizontally. you get those classic robust fruits with an even stipe. i personally like mine even enough that i can slice them thinly lengthwise to get whole cross section pieces for most of my dishes. i want to do outdoor bed cultures this fall when the weather gets wet again.
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It is far better to seperate field collections in the field than in the hospital. keep them sorted.
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anybody else find tempeh strangely similar to eating grain spawn?
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