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 HeadTrip420
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 John Mcains views on drugs
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Mexico should extradite drug dealers to the US
McCain lauded the Mexican president's cooperation with America in drug prosecutions. "He's a good man," McCain said of Felipe Calderon. "For the first time in history he extradited drug dealers to the U.S."
Source: Campaign website, www.johnmccain.com, "News: Mexico" Mar 19, 2007
Administration is AWOL on the war on drugs
Of the four major candidates, McCain has expressed the most hawkish positions on drug policy. He wants to increas penalties for selling drugs, supports the death penalty for drug kingpins, favors tightening security to stop the flow of drugs into the country, and wants to restrict availability of methadone for heroin addicts. He said the Clinton administration was “AWOL on the war on drugs” and he would push for more money and military assistance to drug-supplying nations such as Colombia.
Source: Boston Globe, p. A21 Mar 5, 2000
Public/private partnerships for drug treatment
McCain indicates that federally sponsored drug education and drug treatment programs should be expanded. He says, “Work to expand public/private partnerships in support of such initiatives, and coordinate them with state and local efforts.”
Source: Vote-Smart.org 2000 NPAT Jan 13, 2000
Prevention & education apply to alcohol as well as marijuana
Q: How do you reconcile the tolerance for alcohol with the intolerance for marijuana?
A: I can’t support the legalization of marijuana. Scientific evidence indicates that the moment that it enters your body, one, it does damage, and second, it can become addictive. It is a gateway drug. There is a problem in American with alcohol abuse, and there’s no doubt about that. We have to do whatever we can to - prevention, education, and that applies to drugs too.
Source: Republican Debate at Dartmouth College Oct 29, 1999
We’re losing drug war - just say no
We’re losing the war on drugs. We ought to say, “It’s not a war anymore,” or we really ought to go after it. And there was a time in our history when we weren’t always losing the war on drugs. It was when Nancy Reagan had a very simple program called “Just Say No.” And young Americans were reducing the usage of drugs in America.
Source: Republican Debate at Dartmouth College Oct 29, 1999
$1B for detection equipment for more border interdiction
I support the Drug Free Borders Act of 1999. This legislation funds advanced sensing equipment for detecting illegal drugs before they can cross our border and emerge on the streets of America’s cities. This Act authorizes over $1 billion to beef-up operations along our borders with Mexico and Canada, as well as at maritime ports. This legislation is a sound, responsible approach to enhancing this country’s capabilities to interdict the flow of drugs before they reach our children.
Source: Senate statement, “Drug Free Borders” Mar 18, 1999
Mexico: balancing act between free trade & stopping drugs
[There are] dangers implicit in failing to properly monitor traffic crossing the Mexican border. Yet, Mexico is one of our largest trading partners, and it is in our best interest to maintain as open a border as possible. It is a careful balancing act. [We should] ensure that we are doing everything we can to stem the flow of illegal drugs without impeding the flow of legitimate commerce. The key to finding that balance is procuring equipment to expeditiously scan incoming cargo.
Source: Senate statement, “Drug Free Borders” Mar 18, 1999
Restrict methadone treatment programs
McCain introduced the “Addiction Free Treatment Act” (S.423), which prohibits the use of funds for any drug treatment or rehabilitation program that uses methadone or other heroin detoxification agents unless the program follows specified guidelines, including that the program has as its primary objective the elimination of drug addiction and that it conducts random and frequent comprehensive drug testing for all narcotics.
Source: Senate statements S.423 Feb 11, 1999
Stricter penalties; stricter enforcement
* McCain supports the following principles concerning illegal drugs:Increase penalties for selling illegal drugs
* Impose mandatory jail sentences for selling illegal drugs
* Impose capital punishment for convicted international drug traffickers
* Strengthen current laws dealing with non-controlled substances, including inhalants and commercially available pills
* Increase funding for border security to stop the flow of illegal drugs into the US
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i wanna shoot myself...
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supernovasky
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Strengthen current laws dealing with non-controlled substances, including inhalants and commercially available pills
Get the fuck out of my medicine cabinet.
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biggysmall
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how do you charge someone for obtaining a inhalant..... you could get charged for buying gasoline.. 
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Great way to radicalize the Mexican border and put ourselves in a Mexican war between the "haves" and "have-nots", a incredibly foolish idea to involve yourself in neighbor squabbles.
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He was actually one of those caucasion-looking Mexicans, which made it really confusing. Half of me was into white power and the other half was like a recollection of days gone by.
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HeadTrip420
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i dont understand why this was moved here IF it has a DIRECT infulance on people that would of voted for him as i would but not anymore, mods you need to keep the drug forum to drug reform laws and not stick stuff like this in there where it has no use, IE this has to do with the election directly not me warning everyone of a drug law that they should go try to vote 2 expolse, please move it back to political discussion, thank you
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 Virus_with_Shoes
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Why anyone would still want to vote for Mccain considering his hawkish position on the drug war boggles the mind?
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#Mexico should extradite drug dealers to the US. (Mar 2007)
# Stricter penalties; stricter enforcement. (Jul 1998)
# Voted YES on spending international development funds on drug control. (Jul 1996)
#Restrict methadone treatment programs. (Feb 1999)
#$1B for detection equipment for more border interdiction. (Mar 1999)
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Motherfucker! He proposes a shitload more money thrown at this futile farce that we call "The War on Drugs", while increasing penalties and reducing treatment. Haven't we had enough of these bullshit policies that don't even work? How anyone on this site could support a candidate that espouses these positions blows my mind...
How about Obama?
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#Expand drug courts; help prisoners with substance abuse. (Feb 2008)
#questions harsh penalties for drug dealing. (Oct 2007)
#Not first candidate to use drugs, but first honest about it. (Oct 2007)
#Deal with street-level drug dealing as minimum-wage affair. (Oct 2006)
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* Reduce sentencing disparity for crack, but not retroactively. (Dec 2007)
* Address drug problem with treatment and special drug courts. (Oct 2000)
* Involved parents most influential in reducing teen drug use. (Sep 1996)
The Democrats running for president seem to have a much more reasonable and palatable view towards the War on Drugs.
Could a Republican here possibly let me know why they would support a candidate like Mccain who seeks to continue and even expand the War on Drugs?
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HeadTrip420
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"#Deal with street-level drug dealing as minimum-wage affair."
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Virus_with_Shoes
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Obama's got a great looking resumé when it comes to his position on drugs.
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supernovasky
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Obama's got a great looking resumé when it comes to his position on drugs.
He does. Obama has experience with them too. I dont know about Mac-daddy, but I know his wife stole tons of pain pills from her own charity organization and was a pill-head for a while.
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EntheogenicPeace
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The Democrats running for president seem to have a much more reasonable and palatable view towards the War on Drugs.
While on the campaign trail this is certainly the case*, if Bill Clinton's presidency is any indication, they'll hardly be better than McCain (a stereotypical, ignorant, hypocritical, uneducated prohibitionist) in this area. I wish it wasn't so & I hope I'm proven wrong if/when a Democrat is elected in '08, but I'm not gonna hold my breath after inauguration expecting the status quo to change.
In fairness to McCain, what's he gonna say at a campaign rally? He has millions (probably tens of millions) of people that are gonna vote for him who think that the roots of the cannabis plant are anchored in hell & that is why it's impossible to abolish the supply, & that's it's as addictive as heroin & that's why it's impossible to abolish the demand. For him to calmly explain reason & scientific fact on this topic would cause the fragile worldview of x millions of his supporters to completely fall apart beyond repair. If you thought the "base" didn't like him now...
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Virus_with_Shoes
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While on the campaign trail this is certainly the case*, if Bill Clinton's presidency is any indication, they'll hardly be better than McCain (a stereotypical, ignorant, hypocritical, uneducated prohibitionist) in this area. I wish it wasn't so & I hope I'm proven wrong if/when a Democrat is elected in '08, but I'm not gonna hold my breath after inauguration expecting the status quo to change.
No candidate from either of the major two parties will be ending 'The War on Drugs' any time soon but if you're looking for a lesser of two evils, by looking at both parties' positions, the only logical choice would have to be the Democrats or more specifically Obama. I am sceptical as to whether he would improve policy much but I can't imagine him making it much worse while Mccain would do just that.
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In fairness to McCain, what's he gonna say at a campaign rally? For him to calmly explain reason & scientific fact on this topic would cause the fragile worldview of x millions of his supporters to completely fall apart beyond repair. If you thought the "base" didn't like him now...
I see your point and even if Mccain was sympathetic towards decriminalisation or lowered penalties, he wouldn't be saying it on the campaign trail so that he could pander to his base. This is to be expected. HOWEVER, if you look at his voting record and history, he has clear hawkish positions on escalating the Drug War and implementing more punitive measures for violators. I doubt Mccain's archaic views on drugs differ much from those of his base.
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EntheogenicPeace
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No candidate from either of the major two parties will be ending 'The War on Drugs' any time soon but if you're looking for a lesser of two evils, by looking at both parties' positions, the only logical choice would have to be the Democrats or more specifically Obama. I am sceptical as to whether he would improve policy much but I can't imagine him making it much worse while Mccain would do just that.
Looking at their present positions, on the campaign trail (I don't know the voting record of either Obama or Clinton on "drug"-related policies, actually... I've only heard them say some positive things in this area that may or may not translate into anything meaningful if/when inaugurated), this appears to be the case. Either way, if I vote it's gonna be for Nader/Gonzalez, the only ticket I am absolutely sure would do everything it could to completely change course on this issue (& countless others as well).
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HOWEVER, if you look at his voting record and history, he has clear hawkish positions on escalating the Drug War and implementing more punitive measures for violators. I doubt Mccain's archaic views on drugs differ much from those of his base.
Agreed fully.
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supernovasky
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Either way, if I vote it's gonna be for Nader/Gonzalez, the only ticket I am absolutely sure would do everything it could to completely change course on this issue (& countless others as well).
Its your vote, so do what you want with it, but we really need to all ally behind one candidate to face against what may be a very, VERY bad presidency for our cause. Nader wont win. I am 100% sure of that. You are 100% sure of that too, I know you are. You can call your vote what you'd like, a "protest vote," a "vote for the best candidate that represents my values closest" and otherwise but the political issues of this country have become a battleground, and your vote is one of the only bullets you are guaranteed in this fight. We won't change the way politics work in this country by shooting our own feet, especially when we (Obama supporters) and you (Nader supporters) agree on plenty of issues.
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