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 Justified Suicide? 
#8118022 - 03/08/08 12:59 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm in a low place right now. I seem to fail at all important aspects of life. I have a family who cares and by most accounts have been blessed by ample opportunity. My life just seems to be falling apart, probably due due to my inability to be a competent worthy human. I never wanted to harm anyone or be a nuisance. Nevertheless I find I am a failure at life. Is there a situation where suicide is justified?
Life seems like a wonderful opportunity but by most accounts I feel I have failed. Some of the ones closest to me have gone forever. Its hard to see a point to my existence. I need help.
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 bryguy27007
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First of all, it depends on your view on if suicide is ok or not. It seems like you believe that suicide is generally not ok.
I suggest talking to at least two people. One of those people should be somebody who you trust and have known for a while and knows you. The second should be a professional.
Do you have more detail on your story? Do you feel like talking more? You can PM or AIM me if you would like to chat.
Edited by bryguy27007 (03/08/08 01:13 AM)
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 LeftyBurnz
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well all i have to say is that even when you are at your lowest point in life, even when you have noone left(or so you think) you can always turn things around and find good in life. where theres a will theres a way.
the way i see suicide is its all about choice. its your life, you ultimately choose what you want to do with it. if you feel that it is what you want to do, and you have taken every other avenue to turn your life around, then so be it. however when you have finally decided that suicide is for you, i suggest taking 2-4 more weeks to seriously re-contemplate it, and if you still cannot find a reason to want to be alive anymore, then you know what to do.
do what makes you happy. just remember, for all we know, this is your only shot at life.
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Anonymous #1
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your right I do need professional help and I will seek it. I see life as overall a beautiful thing but don't feel worthy as a human now and don't see much of a point to keep striving on.
I have problems, obviously. It doesn't really matter about the details, lets just say I have lost my soulmate and have lost my best friend as well. I'm so depressed. I hurt so much. I don't know what to do.
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bryguy27007
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Anonymous said:
your right I do need professional help and I will seek it. I see life as overall a beautiful thing but don't feel worthy as a human now and don't see much of a point to keep striving on.
I have problems, obviously. It doesn't really matter about the details, lets just say I have lost my soulmate and have lost my best friend as well. I'm so depressed. I hurt so much. I don't know what to do.
That is a good first step.
If you really don't want to talk about it, I completely understand. But I would love to listen if you wanted to share. You don't have to do it publicly. I have E-mail and AIM as I have said.
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Anonymous #1
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Re: Justified Suicide? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#8118122 - 03/08/08 01:27 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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i will not venture into this decision hastily, i will take time to asses the situation and become absolutly sure there is no other alternative
this may be my only opportunity at life and i must try to work things out
if it is meant to be may god ahve mercy on my soul
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whattheheck
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Registered: 06/01/07
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Loc: Denver Colorado
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I can see what you're saying man, I first contemplated suicide at age 9, and have a couple of other times since. I'm not going to give you a rah rah pep talk, but suicide isn't the answer. As most of us know, it's the really low times in our life that shape us in ways we never would have allowed otherwise. IF we learn we're better off for it, but a lot of people, myself included, are taught to just hate those "low" times, and get out of them as fast as they can. And that's why they come back again and again, because there's a lesson in these times for us, and it's not that you shouldn't be alive.
I pray that you'll find the peace that you deserve.
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Huehuecoyotl
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Finding a path of discipline and dedicating yourself to it heart and soul for a year would be a good alternative.
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JoseLibrado
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hey
It seems that to want to end your life because of an inability that you have.
I think you see the solution to this inability to succeed as suicide.
If this is all true, then i would ask you to rethink about one thing. This suggestion may sound crazy once you begin to read, but bear with these thoughts its a pretty short read which i would appreaciate and welcome feedback on in any way.
When you speak about this inability, you almost talk about it like it is a part of yourself, like it reflects who you are. I see this when you brought the thought "due to my inability to be a competent worthy human"
Looking at this from a rational, prespective this does not make sense.
If I say that I have something, which does not allow me to BE something, then what i am saying is that What i have, is what i am being.
Problem with this logic is that you cannot HAVE what you are and when you say, "My inability is stopping me from becoming what i want to be" it rest on this idea that "Our abilities or inabilities, feelings and lack of feelings, knowledge or lack of knowledge, is what we are."
If it was logical to say that all people have what they are, then it would also be logical to say that they HAVE themselves.
But if this is true, then one could also say logically that they could throw themselves away, because they have themselves, and start over.
But this is surely not possible. You cannot throw something away, which you ARE, it is simply not possible unless you believe you HAVE what you ARE. Why? Well, when you Throw something, there is the Object being thrown and the subject THROWING.
However, because of a lack of logic in our common cultural understanding about how we define ourselves, this idea that you can Throw yourself away, for example, makes perfect sense, because our cultural thought has confused what we HAVE, for what we ARE.
ex. I have lots of Money, so I am RICH or I HAVE an ability to play soccer better than 99% of the population, become admitted to a professional soccer league, so I AM a PROFESSIONAL soccer player.
Take a look at this because this is where a lot of my bad feelings and pain comes from. My inability to recognize this creates this horrible experience, where i doubt everything that i have as knowledge and feel bad about myself or guilty. To me this is when i feel depression the most.
peace to everyone.
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The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution.
And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.
Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.
Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....
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Drewwyann
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Quote:
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your right I do need professional help and I will seek it. I see life as overall a beautiful thing but don't feel worthy as a human now and don't see much of a point to keep striving on.
I have problems, obviously. It doesn't really matter about the details, lets just say I have lost my soulmate and have lost my best friend as well. I'm so depressed. I hurt so much. I don't know what to do.
I lost my girlfriend of 3 years, and two of my best friends a month or two ago. Now I'm as happy as ever, if not even more. Things have a way of turning themselves around.
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Anonymous #1
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Re: Justified Suicide? [Re: Drewwyann]
#8119514 - 03/08/08 01:32 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you all for the kind words. I believe I will get through this and if I do I will learn from it and come out a better, stronger person in the end.
Suicide has been a reoccurring theme in my life and have vaguely acted on it in the past, I think more out of a cry for help than a to actually die. I didn't even know pain then though compared to now. I have family members and close ones who have carried out the act and have seen the pain it has brought their families and friends; I can't do that to the people I still have in my life.
I have a lot of things going for me. I must strive on and try to better myself. I'm feeling a little better today. Fuck it I don't need that stupid cunt bitch! Last week she says she wants to marry me now she just throws four years away for nothing. I'm glad I didn't marry that indecisive bitch. I'll find someone better for me.
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Wiccan_Seeker
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Well, you can justify anything, but that doesn't mean it really IS right.
I think there are situations where suicide can be the right thing to do.
But!
I don't think this is the case with you. I believe for you, it wouldn't be right.
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My life just seems to be falling apart
You are describing a situation that is running out of control. When such things happen, your moods and motivation will TEMPORARILY plummet. And indeed you yourself write:
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I'm in a low place right now.
Thats what it is, a temporary crisis. Once you hit rock bottom of a crisis, you can only go up from there. Even if the situation stays the same (which it rarely ever does) it will go better because your mind will adjust to the steady state.
Its not the being low, its the emotional freefall that turns your stomach in a knot.
You won't take a nosedive forever. Sooner or later (and probably sooner) you will hit rock bottom, and it can only get up from there.
I must ask you to seek professional help though. The risk of suicide calls for that.
Like in a bad trip, don't try to fight the negativity, it will just wear you out. Instead see this as a temporary setback from which you will recover. Get help, and remember that despair (justified or not) won't do you any good.
Often a crisis like this, if handled well, helps people to realign themselves and re-prioritize life.
The way you describe this, I have faith in that you probably will recover.
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Huehuecoyotl
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Fuck it I don't need that stupid cunt bitch! Last week she says she wants to marry me now she just throws four years away for nothing.
So this was over a girl? Oh man, chill out! There are more fish in the sea.
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If she doesn't respect you then she isn't worth thinking about.
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Gumballs
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Suicide justified? I would think only if you had a terminal illness and were suffering.
You need to put yourself in everyone else's position first. People that love you, family.
People that entertain suicide get so wrapped up in themselves they forget about the people that love them and need them around.
Just think of the confusion, anguish, sadness that your family would have to deal with for the rest of their lives. Maybe blaming themselves.
I understand completely how life can be a bitch, everyone has the struggles daily. Your going to be fine. Stop dwelling alone, get out, be around happy and positive people. If someone is messing with your head time to cut ties and move on.
I was in a same positing years ago, but the conclusion I came to was that my suicide would be a very selfish act and only hurt the people I left behind, that loved me. I decided 100% against ever thinking about it again.
Cheers.
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Re: Justified Suicide? [Re: Gumballs]
#8121594 - 03/09/08 12:37 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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i do know one thing though, bitches they come they go.
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paulie_walnuts1
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Not justified. Unless you've done awful things to people, like raped kids or something, then I'd say, sure, off yourself. Geez. Just start reading more. Read anything. Slow those thought processes and find some perspective. Keep going, sometimes the mind evolves and you start to understand why things are. Just learn to value your own existence.
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awesomebastard
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no this is ridiculous.
killing yourself because living in this society isnt for you man go be homeless or just deal with being poor or whatever this seems like a rather childish and selfish reason for suicide. who cares "my life is falling apart I fail" man grow up and take the bad with the good.
Everything is beutifull, and in my expeirence if you look past momentary selfishness you will see that you learn more in times of whoa than at any other point in life.
Dont kill your self.
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aDoS
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The only justified suicide imo is if you are terminally ill and you are in very bad pain. Not trying to be a dick, but the reasons you have for suicide is just being a coward.
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Re: Justified Suicide? [Re: aDoS]
#8123151 - 03/09/08 02:00 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah I'm pretty much a weak bastard. This wasn't the only event but its the straw that broke my back. I broke down, how pathetic right? Once again I fail.
I'm not going to pursue it, not now at least.
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