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 WScottsdale
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 If the 'War on Drugs' was abolished..
#8094108 - 03/02/08 03:53 PM (8 months, 29 days ago) |
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Marijuana users would surely rejoice, however, what impacts would it have on illicit 'street drugs' like meth and heroin? If authority became more lenient on these, would addiction rates / usage rates increase? What of groups such as the Columbian drug cartels and the cocaine that they smuggle into America? The 'war on drugs', while incarcerating and creating many problems for people that use responsibly, seems like it does have its benefits in regard to those drugs that cause physical harm, domestic problems, financial problems, etc. Thoughts?
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 daytripper23
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 Re: If the 'War on Drugs' was abolished.. [Re: WScottsdale]
#8094307 - 03/02/08 04:52 PM (8 months, 29 days ago) |
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Yeah this is kind of a huge problem. the slippery slope. I think that for most people who really understand the herb, the idea of legalization for them is based completely on the libertine philosophy of personal responsibility. Its a victimless crime.
Whether the hypothetical path of actual lawmaking and policy is based on longterm health, addiction, medicine or anything else, from the moment it becomes legal and after, many more people are going to understand herb on a pragmatic level, and further, these individuals are not going to put up with being demonized anymore.
If it is legal, it is going to become a personal right, just like eating fast food, which is bad for your health, and consuming caffeine, which is addictive. What if the government made these things illegal? Almost everyone would be enraged with this tyranny.
Basically, whatever way weed hypothetically becomes legalized, in retrospect, the only issue that is going to stand as legitimate, is the libertine philosophy. So, if it applies to marijuana shouldn't it apply to the other hallucinogens? Then what from there?
This slippery slope which is constantly cited by the government and anti-legalization people really is a legitimate concern.
How ironic that they cite their own mistake in policy as justification of itself! Instead of taking responsibility for it, they make the people believe that this problem inherent of actual drugs. But its not a problem with drugs, but with drug policy!
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afoaf
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Re: If the 'War on Drugs' was abolished.. [Re: WScottsdale]
#8094433 - 03/02/08 05:25 PM (8 months, 29 days ago) |
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the streets of tijuana would not be a warzone if there wasn't an illicit
market for pot, coke and heroin that they can capitalize on.
columbian drug cartels would not have the money or political influence
they have...if I understand correctly, I'm pretty sure FARC would fall
in to grave disrepair without it's cocaine money.
1 in 100 adults in america would not be in prison.
1 in 9 black men probably would not either.
over 50% of the federal prison population could potentially be released.
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supernovasky
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Re: If the 'War on Drugs' was abolished.. [Re: afoaf]
#8094458 - 03/02/08 05:31 PM (8 months, 29 days ago) |
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Afoaf, dont forget...
14 billion would be saved outright...
and then, each of those held in the US on marijuana charges, can then become productive members of American society, hold jobs, with their habbit legal. The industry itself will create jobs and offer alternative fuel, paper, and cloth.
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Re: If the 'War on Drugs' was abolished.. [Re: supernovasky]
#8094617 - 03/02/08 06:17 PM (8 months, 29 days ago) |
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I reckon if all drugs were made legal, drug useage would surge for the first few months.
This sort of question has been answered already. It's called Holland, the country with fewer pot smokers than Englands.
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daytripper23
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Re: If the 'War on Drugs' was abolished.. [Re: Visionary Tools]
#8094991 - 03/02/08 07:40 PM (8 months, 29 days ago) |
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I reckon if all drugs were made legal, drug useage would surge for the first few months.
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pattern
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Re: If the 'War on Drugs' was abolished.. [Re: daytripper23]
#8098059 - 03/03/08 03:21 PM (8 months, 28 days ago) |
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I think hard drug usage would initially increase, then drop dramatically. I'm guessing most people who do hard drugs are only doing so because the soft ones are illegal. It's much easier to eat a pill, than to smoke a joint, for example.
Also, if it is legal, people will be more open about it. When the problems are hidden away and shunned, and revealing them could literally ruin your life forever (federal criminal record), it takes far more risk to get help. Therefore hard drug addiction could be treated much more effectively with legalization or decrim.
It's one of the great shames of humanity, really, the current path we are on. We will look back on this "War" like we do the Dark Ages or the Inquisition.
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daytripper23
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Re: If the 'War on Drugs' was abolished.. [Re: pattern]
#8098785 - 03/03/08 05:53 PM (8 months, 28 days ago) |
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It's one of the great shames of humanity, really, the current path we are on. We will look back on this "War" like we do the Dark Ages or the Inquisition.
Yea I feel like its going to have to be an all or nothing deal, and that the current path isn't towards this kind of reform.
I mean once in a while you hear about steps taken for medical marijuana or something, but I dont really see how this will ever address the core issues (and from my understanding the only real issues) which are based in freedom of recreational use.
While we take small steps foward in the rhetorical arena of politics, the collective consciousness is moving in the wrong direction. Its easy to see that our basic liberties are being taken away in our declared war on terror, while the general population becomes more and more ignorant of the of the mind/body.
Shouldn't we be more weary of the artificialities of the pharm industry than natural plants?
I hate to sound stereotypical but thats basically what it comes down to: natural vs artificial. Mankind tends to compensate for himself, while one can rely on nature to provide balance.
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