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 OrgoneConclusion
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 Debate Technique 
#8092143 - 03/01/08 10:31 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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First off, it should be mandatory for everyone to read the stickied thread 'The Fallacies of Philosophical Debate'.
Secondly it is important to understand that there is a method and technique to proper debate.
What is not debate:
1. Negating another's post with no reason or backing.
2. Making stuff up and declaring it as fact.
3. Making stuff up and declaring it as a possibility when it has no more substance than any other of an infinite number of possibilities.
4. Being inconsistent.
5. Speaking in riddles or using murky language.
6. Changing commonly accepted definitions of words to suit your purpose.
Try to learn the basics before tossing stuff out.
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Nah, I'd prefer to throw stumbling blocks.
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Why not?? The fall I took was no comparison to shit animation.
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The concept of the philosophical "debate" is a fallacy. Anything can be proved or disproved with debate or statistics. It is just delusion. Pure bullshit. Anyway, why should someone play by your definition of the rules?
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play by the rules and be a good teacher's pet.
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OrgoneConclusion
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Quote:
why should someone play by your definition of the rules?
I am honored that you consider me the Father of Philosophy, however...
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Entropymancer
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
6. Changing commonly accepted definitions of words to suit your purpose.
You mean like changing the word soul to mean a functioning brain?
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I'm more concerned about whether you're the Father of that nasty looking breakfast in your sig...
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 Re: Debate Technique [Re: Lion]
#8093705 - 03/02/08 12:16 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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As long as he's not the Mother I think every thing's quite fine. 
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Here my heart knows calm
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OrgoneConclusion
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You mean like changing the word soul to mean a functioning brain?
Wrong thread. And erroneously commingling.
But if you insist, in previous threads there was no consensus (guess you missed that word) on what a soul is, so I took the most common definition thrown about here. That is not changing.
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vigilant_mind
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You should consider a career in politics. 
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OrgoneConclusion
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I take it you are attempting to show others the Fallacy of the Non Sequitur.
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Veritas
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Quote:
Entropymancer said:
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OrgoneConclusion said:
6. Changing commonly accepted definitions of words to suit your purpose.
You mean like changing the word soul to mean a functioning brain?
Soul (definition 1): The animating and vital principle in humans, credited with the faculties of thought, action, and emotion and often conceived as an immaterial entity.
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Re: Debate Technique [Re: Veritas]
#8093859 - 03/02/08 01:18 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Veritas said:
Soul (definition 1): The animating and vital principle in humans, credited with the faculties of thought, action, and emotion and often conceived as an immaterial entity.
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Veritas
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Conceived: To be of the opinion that; think.
Just because someone thinks that an immaterial entity is responsible for thought, action & emotion does not mean that said immaterial entity IS responsible.
Is rain the result of God crying? When a harvest fails, is it punishment by the Great Poobah for our failure to sacrifice virgins? Do babies really come from the cabbage patch?
If the SOUL is that which manages thought, action & emotion, how would you differentiate between that and a functioning brain?
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Re: Debate Technique [Re: Veritas]
#8093903 - 03/02/08 01:37 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Personally, I don't.
I've just don't generally hear people who are genuinely concerned with the existence of a soul believing that the soul dies with the body. Ergo using the brain-function model is a total cop-out.
I've already said that I subscribe to his reasoning personally, it just seems like it ignores the real question that was being asked.
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
First off, it should be mandatory for everyone to read the stickied thread 'The Fallacies of Philosophical Debate'.
Secondly it is important to understand that there is a method and technique to proper debate.
What is not debate:
1. Negating another's post with no reason or backing.
2. Making stuff up and declaring it as fact.
3. Making stuff up and declaring it as a possibility when it has no more substance than any other of an infinite number of possibilities.
4. Being inconsistent.
5. Speaking in riddles or using murky language.
6. Changing commonly accepted definitions of words to suit your purpose.
Try to learn the basics before tossing stuff out.
This place would get quiet as a vole.
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"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Debate Technique [Re: Icelander]
#8096806 - 03/03/08 08:49 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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That would probably be a good thing. 
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