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 Drug dealers to have their 'bling' seized at the point of arrest under new drugs strategy 
#8076838 - 02/27/08 10:29 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Drug dealers will have their assets, including 'bling' items such as plasma TVs and jewellery, seized at the point of arrest under the Government's latest ten-year drugs strategy.
The move, which will require a change in the law, has already sparked controversy.
Civil liberties groups say it challenges the fundamental principle of a person being innocent until they are proven guilty.
But the Home Office says seizing valuable items such as yachts, as well as the smaller 'bling' items, will deny criminals the opportunity to conceal them in the weeks or months before their trial.
They often pass on items gained through drug dealing to friends or associates, knowing they will otherwise lose them, Ministers claim.
Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said: 'I think taking them at the point of arrest is the right thing to do. Obviously, if somebody is completely innocent, then they can get their assets back.' A limit which prevented the former Asset Recovery Agency seizing items which had been owned for more than 12 years will be removed.
In other new moves, drug addicts will lose their benefits unless they try to get clean.
The strategy will force those claiming Incapacity Benefit because they are hooked on drugs to see a specialist counsellor.
They will be offered support, but will not be forced to undergo any other treatment or prove they have given up.
However, failing to turn up to a session will lead to the docking of two weeks of benefits.
Grandparents will be encouraged to care for the offspring of their drug addicted children, under the new plans
The Government's new 10-year drug strategy will make it easier for the older generation to win care orders and receive cash hand-outs.
Children and family minister Kevin Brennan said: "It's a sad fact of substance misuse that grandparents often step in to pick up the pieces.
"This measure will include things like making it easier for them to obtain special guardianship orders and for local authorities to be able to pay money to grandparents, which can only happen in exceptional cases at the moment."
The plan also promised new measures to force drug addicts claiming benefits to complete treatment courses and get a job.
Ministers promised that further proposals would be announced for an even tougher regime.
The strategy document said: "In return for benefits payments, claimants will have a responsibility to move successfully through treatment and into employment."
Ministers say the intention is to give drug addicts an "incentive" to seek help. But the policy will apply only to new Incapacity Benefit claimants. The existing 50,000 addicts who receive the handouts - worth up to £81.35 a week - will not be targeted.
Drug users are currently registering their inability to work with the Government at a rate of 4,000 each year.
Critics of the scheme are expected to warn that the policy risks increasing the number of burglaries and other crimes, as addicts stripped of their benefits seek cash to pay for their drugs.
The strategy, which will be unveiled by Home Secretary Jacqui Smith on Wednesday, also promises help for the children of addicts.
Between 250,000 and 350,000 youngsters are living in homes where their parents abuse drugs.
Ministers will promise "support" to grandparents who are willing to take over children's care.
There will also be promises of more drug education in schools, with harder messages about the consequences of using heroin, cocaine and cannabis.
Ofsted will be told to rate schools on how "effective" these lessons are.
There will also be more "rat on a rat" campaigns, where the public are encouraged to report suspected drug dealers.
Anyone whose information leads to a conviction could receive a Crimestoppers reward.
Under the strategy, police will be given the power to confiscate drug dealers' jewellery, fast cars, plasma televisions and laptops when they are arrested.
Currently, this can only be done after a hearing in front of a judge, and only if the suspect is being charged.
Officials say that suspected drug barons' assets - which can be worth large sums of money - would be returned if no charges were brought.
Sir Simon Milton, chairman of the Local Government Association, said: "Assets confiscated from convicted drug dealers should be ploughed back into the local area.
"People affected by the disruption and anti-social behaviour caused by a dealer's criminal behaviour should decide how to put the resources to good use."
One omission from the strategy is any consideration of the legal status of cannabis, which was controversially downgraded to Class C in 2004.
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Re: Drug dealers to have their 'bling' seized at the point of arrest under new drugs strategy [Re: b0red5tiff]
#8076911 - 02/27/08 10:48 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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"The plan also promised new measures to force drug addicts claiming benefits to complete treatment courses and get a job"
easier said than done after you take everything in their home and give their kids to senile grandparents. nothing like a "minor" drug felony to breeze you through that job interview!
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Re: Drug dealers to have their 'bling' seized at the point of arrest under new drugs strategy [Re: b0red5tiff]
#8077247 - 02/27/08 12:33 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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b0red5tiff said:
Obviously, if somebody is completely innocent, then they can get their assets back.
Yes, because the government is always a good sport when it looses in court (is publicaly embarrassed). 
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Re: Drug dealers to have their 'bling' seized at the point of arrest under new drugs strategy [Re: SillyButtons]
#8077262 - 02/27/08 12:36 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Obviously, if somebody is completely innocent, then they can get their assets back.
That is some seriously messed up logic.
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Re: Drug dealers to have their 'bling' seized at the point of arrest under new drugs strategy [Re: robbyberto]
#8077366 - 02/27/08 01:13 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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What I read:
fallacie, fallacie, fallacie. misinformation, fallacie, judgement, judgement, really stupid logic.
And these people run our country how?
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tyler_0_durden
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Re: Drug dealers to have their 'bling' seized at the point of arrest under new drugs strategy [Re: robbyberto]
#8077486 - 02/27/08 01:37 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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robbyberto said:
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Obviously, if somebody is completely innocent, then they can get their assets back.
That is some seriously messed up logic.
Yeah, it sure is. I thought the government cannot perform unreasonable search and seizures...so if someone is innocent, and the govt. takes all their stuff, that is unreasonable seizure.
Bravo to our amazingly corrupt government that cannot even follow it's own constitution. For shame America, for shame.
I am embarrassed and ashamed of living in this country. It's getting more messed up by the day.
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Re: Drug dealers to have their 'bling' seized at the point of arrest under new drugs strategy [Re: tyler_0_durden]
#8077981 - 02/27/08 03:57 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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America: Guilty until proven innocent.
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Re: Drug dealers to have their 'bling' seized at the point of arrest under new drugs strategy [Re: tyler_0_durden]
#8078033 - 02/27/08 04:08 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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tyler_0_durden said:
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robbyberto said:
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Obviously, if somebody is completely innocent, then they can get their assets back.
That is some seriously messed up logic.
Yeah, it sure is. I thought the government cannot perform unreasonable search and seizures...so if someone is innocent, and the govt. takes all their stuff, that is unreasonable seizure.
Bravo to our amazingly corrupt government that cannot even follow it's own constitution. For shame America, for shame.
I am embarrassed and ashamed of living in this country. It's getting more messed up by the day.
This article isn't about America. We don't have Ministers, class C drugs, or disability for addicts.
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Edited by DragonChaser (02/27/08 04:08 PM)
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Re: Drug dealers to have their 'bling' seized at the point of arrest under new drugs strategy [Re: DragonChaser]
#8078043 - 02/27/08 04:09 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Drug dealers to have their 'bling' seized at the point of arrest under new drugs strategy [Re: b0red5tiff]
#8078514 - 02/27/08 05:38 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Brits are saying bling now? 
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Re: Drug dealers to have their 'bling' seized at the point of arrest under new drugs strategy [Re: JackthaTripper]
#8079097 - 02/27/08 07:52 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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This was quite a disaster in the US, it lead to all sorts of innocent people having legit properly seized.
These laws transform the police from a uniformed armed gang into a uniformed armed robbery gang.
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Re: Drug dealers to have their 'bling' seized at the point of arrest under new drugs strategy [Re: b0red5tiff]
#8080213 - 02/28/08 02:02 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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will the patrol cars and weapons and surveilance equipment of law enforement agencies be sold and the proceeds given to the innocent people they charge and whose lives theyll turn upside down?
police have to start paying for thier fuckups or something bad must happen to them in another way
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Re: Drug dealers to have their 'bling' seized at the point of arrest under new drugs strategy [Re: alphabeatu]
#8082978 - 02/28/08 06:13 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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so if you smoke some weed the cops will bust in take all your shit.... take away your kids and just fuck up your life..... and what is there excuse? it is to help the addicts...... fucking sickening....
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Re: Drug dealers to have their 'bling' seized at the point of arrest under new drugs strategy [Re: biggysmall]
#8085937 - 02/29/08 11:12 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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"There will also be promises of more drug education in schools, with harder messages about the consequences of using heroin, cocaine and cannabis.
Ofsted will be told to rate schools on how "effective" these lessons are."
i can already see how effective these lessons will be!
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