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 Carl Sagan's "Cosmos"
#8024193 - 02/14/08 07:44 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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Has anyone else seen this show? It is on the Science channel.
It's fucking awesome. Carl Sagan is one of my heroes but he talks like a douche sometimes.
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 Re: Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" [Re: Plok]
#8024201 - 02/14/08 07:46 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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I like it but it seems likes its an old show
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Re: Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" [Re: Plok]
#8024205 - 02/14/08 07:46 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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man that shit is old i used to watch that like over 15 years ago when i was a little kid..... i dont think i understood it
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Re: Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" [Re: danlennon3]
#8024206 - 02/14/08 07:46 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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Yes it is my favorite show.
Check my avatar.
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Plok
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Re: Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" [Re: danlennon3]
#8024215 - 02/14/08 07:49 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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It is old... Sagan died like 15 years ago or something. But they interspliced newer astronomical footage into what he did back then. Very cool 
The show is way trippier than one might be inclined to expect.
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Re: Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" [Re: Plok]
#8024226 - 02/14/08 07:51 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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Yeah I saw your avatar. 5 shrooms to you 
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Re: Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" [Re: Plok]
#8024234 - 02/14/08 07:52 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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I have seen it, its good. He is sure overly verbose though, and very negative about humanity. Fortunately he was not correct on many of his doomsday predictions.
I like how he has a multidisciplinary view on cosmology and science in general.
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Re: Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" [Re: DieCommie]
#8024259 - 02/14/08 07:57 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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Sagan is the man. I miss him. The show was on in the 70s and a whole lot is totally out of date now, but it is still spectacular. (edit: filmed, produced in 70s, aired starting 1980 )
We need another Carl Sagan.
There is a lot of Cosmos on Stage6.
Cosmos
More Cosmos
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Re: Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" [Re: DieCommie]
#8024302 - 02/14/08 08:13 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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DieCommie said:
I have seen it, its good. He is sure overly verbose though, and very negative about humanity. Fortunately he was not correct on many of his doomsday predictions.
Did Sagan really make 'predictions'? As far as his concerns, I think he's very right. Keep in mind that his viewpoints are influenced by the times they come from.
We're incredibly lucky that no one has dropped the bomb in 50 years. Cosmos was made around the height of both powers' nuclear arsenals and a time of high tension. It was reasonable to assume that it could happen at any moment.
Sagan looked up and out, way up and way out and marveled at humanity. Pale blue dot and all that. Space travel of that nature had been new uncharted territory and this is space telescopes and radio astronomy and all that putting the universe together. This is really looking out and opening eyes.
After learning all that, I think he's justified in being frustrated that humanity spends trillions of dollars building tens of thousands of nuclear weapons while people are starving and uneducated.
That we lay waste to large swaths of ecosystems and are so wasteful with such an incredible circumstance.
In spite of all that he was always optimistic that we could overcome adversity and achieve greatness in unimaginable ways, not as a race, or a country, but over great spans of time as a species and as precious individuals.
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PICARD: When I realized the paradox...
Q: Exactly. For that one fraction of a second, you were open to options you'd never considered. That's the exploration that awaits you...not mapping stars and studying nebulae... but charting the unknowable possibilities of existence.
To carry yourself forward and experience myriad things is delusion. That myriad things come forth and experience themselves is awakening. -Dogen Zenji
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Re: Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" [Re: DieCommie]
#8024309 - 02/14/08 08:13 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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DieCommie said:
I have seen it, its good. He is sure overly verbose though, and very negative about humanity. Fortunately he was not correct on many of his doomsday predictions.
I like how he has a multidisciplinary view on cosmology and science in general.
That's strange. In most of the episodes I've seen he's rather proud of humanity's achievements. But you have to remember as well that when this stuff was filmed it was during the height of the Cold War and the world was truly on the brink of a nuclear war. It is still well within the realm of possibility that we will wipe out our own species in the future and I think it's worth recognizing the danger of the knowledge that we possess along with the benefits of it.
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Re: Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" [Re: toastandjam]
#8024326 - 02/14/08 08:18 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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toastandjam said:
I think he's justified in being frustrated that humanity spends trillions of dollars building tens of thousands of nuclear weapons while people are starving and uneducated.
My thoughts exactly
Those are the kind of thoughts that make me depressed. The amount of wasted energy and ignorance floating around given all that we have available to us.
But then I see things like space exploration, and diving into the subatomic realm, and creating great art, and I feel inspired again.
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Re: Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" [Re: Plok]
#8024357 - 02/14/08 08:23 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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Plok said:
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toastandjam said:
I think he's justified in being frustrated that humanity spends trillions of dollars building tens of thousands of nuclear weapons while people are starving and uneducated.
I see things like space exploration, and diving into the subatomic realm, and creating great art, and I feel inspired again.
's help too
That's the really important part. It's all an evolution, though I sort of wish there was a way to, you know...get on with it already!
You guys might be interested in reading Carl Sagan's essay on cannabis. He wrote it anonymously under the pseudonym 'Mr.X' back in 1969. It's tremendous.
Mr. X by Carl Sagan
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Re: Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" [Re: Plok]
#8024362 - 02/14/08 08:24 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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Well, there are a lot of things we, humantiy, have done that are pretty negative. I agree that one day, we may be the makers of our own end. I think i saw an episode that was about life outside earth. It had some cool stuff about how other species might be based on totally different chemistry than we are, our DNA for example. Cool stuff.
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Re: Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" [Re: Plok]
#8024425 - 02/14/08 08:37 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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Carl Sagan is the man 
soon i shall purchase the cosmos DVD set, when i get some more cash
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Re: Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" [Re: Plok]
#8024434 - 02/14/08 08:39 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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I love watching that guy. I sit at the computer and listen to "Cosmos" from the tv late at night whenever i notice it is on.
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Re: Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" [Re: Plok]
#8024444 - 02/14/08 08:41 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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I'm down with anything about space 
But I've only seen it a couple times
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Re: Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" [Re: Omni]
#8024449 - 02/14/08 08:43 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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awsome show
waaaaaay before its time
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Re: Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" [Re: Plok]
#8024559 - 02/14/08 09:12 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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Your probably right, I was being a bit cynical... Sagan is the man.
I recently attended a talk by the big wigs of SETI. In the talk they used Sagan's guess that there are a million radio capable species in the galaxy, and plotted that against the increase in computing power (using moore's law) The conclusion is that we would contact one of these species in about 20 years. Very optimistic in my opinion, and that optimism steams from Sagan's optimistic guess. (Using values that others guessed, like Assimov 670,000 (two sig figs lol) or Drake's 100,000 puts first contact at about 40-60 years)
Another thing that struck me is that only Americans do SETI. Plenty of other countries have vast interest in science, and astronomy but dont do it. The Dutch in particular have huge radio astronomy research, but zero interest in SETI. Only the Americans care to look for ET. I asked one of my professors his opinion on why this is the next day. He is an ex-patriot from the UK. His answer as to why only Americans care about SETI - Carl Sagan. Carl Sagan was both the inspiration to, and the embodiment of Americans thirst for exploration and thinking 'beyond'.
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Re: Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" [Re: notapillow]
#8418873 - 05/19/08 12:40 AM (6 months, 14 days ago) |
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awsome show
waaaaaay before its time
exactly, i recently acquired the dvd set and i HIGHLY recommend it to anyone who has a passion for space, truth, and like things beautiful.
10/10
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never watched the show, but i've read the book. it's one of the few non-fiction books that i can actually get caught up in and read for hours. wish i would have been born a little sooner, would have loved to meet him. he does seem kinda of full of himself...but i guess when you're that smart, you can be 
i also like his son's idlewild series.
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Wow i was just about to post a 'Cosmos' thread as well. It's on a cable channel here in Australia at the moment. Really great doco. The DVD set is $150 bucks though so its download for me.. pity, i'd buy the DVD if it didn't cost a week's rent.
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