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 Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?"  [Re: HighHat]
#7960588 - 01/31/08 02:01 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why do I see the accusation "Youre ignorant!" becoming the new "Youre racist!" sometime in the near future?
Let's not forget "You're brainwashed." Everything old is new again. Why do young people think that they have suddenly become some evolutionary marvel that transcended all previous generations in either virtue or deviousness or discernment? Childhood's End was fiction. Word to you babies; You didn't invent the blowjob.
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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: zappaisgod]
#7960616 - 01/31/08 02:06 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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For political discussions - "You're a conspiracy whacko/stupid liberal/redneck/Bush follower/ignorant sheeple."
Hooray let's call each other names and not actually debate the issues! Woohoo!
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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: zappaisgod]
#7960699 - 01/31/08 02:30 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Let's not forget "You're brainwashed." Everything old is new again. Why do young people think that they have suddenly become some evolutionary marvel that transcended all previous generations in either virtue or deviousness or discernment?
Can it, Grandpa.
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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: zorbman]
#7960853 - 01/31/08 03:12 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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I bristle at the suggestion there was a golden age of anything, times change, human nature doesn't.
I never said it was a golden age. It was just better.
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don't have any information with which to rebut you
well yeah, I don't wish to claim I'm talking from an educated viewpoint, but it doesn't matter. Your argument, that things are different now in terms of news quality, has the burden of proof.
If anything, their are competing mediums to the traditional newspaper and TV/radio w/ the internet. Now a story ignored by the press can be covered online. If people aren't informed now its is far more of their own fault. And the competition from online sources would seem to suggest the main media providers ignore stories or viewpoints covered online at their peril.
Still, TV is a passive endeavor, something the web is hard to be, so maybe those watching the TV for any old story aren't really the same that are trawling the web for news or a specific topic- thus making the TV audience less critical.
I for one don't have a TV in my house, but then I'm poor so its easy to be self-righteous when I couldn't afford a $60/a month cable bill w/out comprimising other things I value more.
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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: johnm214]
#7960885 - 01/31/08 03:22 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your argument, that things are different now in terms of news quality, has the burden of proof.
I think it is self-evident to anyone of a certain age over the past 25 years. Even the media itself will admit news quality has diminished recently. Just look at the media panels on CSPAN where the media critiques its own coverage from time to time. They routinely talk of their stories being pushed aside in favor of celebrity gossip and fluff.
I can go on about this at length but it really is a no-brainer.
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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: zorbman]
#7961325 - 01/31/08 05:00 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nope, they just get caught more
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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7961335 - 01/31/08 05:02 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
Let's not forget "You're brainwashed." Everything old is new again. Why do young people think that they have suddenly become some evolutionary marvel that transcended all previous generations in either virtue or deviousness or discernment?
Can it, Grandpa.
Why don't you show me just exactly how you invented the blowjob.
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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: zappaisgod]
#7961600 - 01/31/08 05:55 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not possible. Zappa, your grandma invented the blowjob
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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: BrAiN]
#7961620 - 01/31/08 06:00 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Does she take out her dentures and go to town
How this thread has fallen from grace. 
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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: BrAiN]
#7961708 - 01/31/08 06:20 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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The original is always the best. I should know.
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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7962546 - 01/31/08 09:26 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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In my interpretation of history, in regards to the Tet offensive, the US forces literally had the North on its knees both strategically and tactically...however, there was a clear bias from the media on the how successful this engagement actually was.
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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: SirTripAlot]
#7962995 - 01/31/08 11:23 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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how so, and what do you mean by succesful?
sure we were winning all the major battles, and certainly wasting their resources and men, but then they were fighting out of their home areas, had plenty of men, and really weren't paying for the war anyways.
I think the public discontent and concern was on the body count and atrocities being commited, and perhaps the senselessness of the conflict, not on the military metrics.
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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: johnm214]
#7966223 - 02/01/08 06:08 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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I believe, I was clear in stating that the US military was successful, both tactically and strategically.
I was not advocating the Vietnam war as a positive thing, since it was based on the flawed Domino Theory, but merely pointing out one historical instance, in which the media decided to cast a false light on the actual outcome of the Tet offensive.
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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: Ferris]
#7966299 - 02/01/08 06:35 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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All this talk of Liberal vs Conservative is nonsense. Both news networks have only one goal: to keep you uninformed about things that matter. CNN is even more guilty than FOX, because they have a far better guise of legitimacy. FOX has abandoned that, at least.
TURN OFF YOUR TV.
I replaced my tv permanently with the internet. TV is obsolete.
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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: StroFun]
#8015766 - 02/12/08 10:48 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know this is an old thread, but its my thread so fuck you.
I may have come across an answer to my own question. I found in David Foster Wallace's Consider The Lobster a thought Wallace has on this very subject.
It comes from a perspective I had not thought of and seems to be spot on the truth.
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HFW said:
It's hard to understand Fox News tags like "Fair and Balanced", "No -Spin Zone", and "We Report, You Decide" as anything but dark jokes, ones that delight the channel's conservative audience precisely because their claims to objectivity so totally enrage liberals, whose own literal interpretation of the taglines then makes the left seem dim, humorless, and stodgy.
Smart fellow, and I agree 100%.
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If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy
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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8016381 - 02/13/08 04:47 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, it certainly didn't take you long to dive into that. You're going to like him a lot.
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