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lonestar2004
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Obama Campaign Retracts Statement Supporting Decriminalization
#8012680 - 02/12/08 10:21 AM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
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Obama Campaign Retracts Statement Supporting Decriminalization
Washington, DC: Senator Barack Obama’s campaign backed away from statements made last week affirming the Senator’s support for decriminalizing marijuana, after being confronted with inconsistencies in his past and present campaigns on the issue by the Washington Times.
A spokesman for Obama’s campaign blamed confusion over the meaning of decriminalization for the inconsistencies, and said that while Obama does not support decriminalization, "we are sending far too many first-time, nonviolent drug users to prison for very long periods of time, and that we should rethink those laws."
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7506
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Re: Obama Campaign Retracts Statement Supporting Decriminalization [Re: lonestar2004]
#8012688 - 02/12/08 10:24 AM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
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That's the closest statement to decrim. drug offences I've heard from any serious candidate.
-------------------- Drug control - $12 billion/yr
Incarceration - $30 billion/yr
Police protection - $9.1 billion/yr
Legal adjudication - $4.5 billion/yr
Having a populous trained to recognize their own bodies as government regulated property, and to gorge exclusively on government approved brands of pharmaceuticals and fast food - PRICELESS
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Re: Obama Campaign Retracts Statement Supporting Decriminalization [Re: dill705]
#8012732 - 02/12/08 10:36 AM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
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"Obama’s campaign blamed confusion over the meaning of decriminalization"
Yes, but he's a joke.
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Re: Obama Campaign Retracts Statement Supporting Decriminalization [Re: lonestar2004]
#8016582 - 02/13/08 08:23 AM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Who's the best candidate in YHO?
-------------------- Drug control - $12 billion/yr
Incarceration - $30 billion/yr
Police protection - $9.1 billion/yr
Legal adjudication - $4.5 billion/yr
Having a populous trained to recognize their own bodies as government regulated property, and to gorge exclusively on government approved brands of pharmaceuticals and fast food - PRICELESS
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Re: Obama Campaign Retracts Statement Supporting Decriminalization [Re: dill705]
#8017588 - 02/13/08 01:15 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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McCain
Hopefully he will nominate conservative Supreme court judges who want to limit federal power.
(medical marijuana)
Edited by lonestar2004 (02/13/08 01:16 PM)
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Re: Obama Campaign Retracts Statement Supporting Decriminalization [Re: lonestar2004]
#8022537 - 02/14/08 01:52 PM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
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McCain hates drug policy reform and supports mandatory minimum sentences for drug sales offenses.
So if I get caught with more than an ounce of marijuana, Mccain would want to send me to prison.
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Re: Obama Campaign Retracts Statement Supporting Decriminalization [Re: lonestar2004]
#8032727 - 02/16/08 09:10 PM (6 months, 16 days ago) |
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Hopefully he will nominate conservative Supreme court judges who want to limit federal power.
http://www.smokedot.org/07/10/03/senator-mccain-belittles-medical-marijuana-activist (separate from the above video)
For the first time on the Shroomery message boards, I must ask what you were smoking when you posted that. On the issue of medical marijuana, John McCain is either (a) completely ignorant or (b) a shameless liar. It's too bad tens of millions of Americans admire these qualities in the candidates they vote for. Raids on medical marijuana facilites in states that have passed laws allowing them coming to an end under a John McCain presidency? Sounds like somebody's on a little PCP.
Here's somebody, clearly not an intelligent & well-educated scientist like the kind McCain apparantly knows so many of, who has a diffeent opinion from him on this topic...
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Marihuana, The Forbidden Medicine
am a member of a very small, very fortunate, and very select group—the first survivors of the previously incurable cancer, abdominal mesothelioma. Our treatment involved a carefully balanced mixture of all three standard modalities—surgery, radiation, and chemotherapy. Not pleasant, to be sure, but consider the alternative.
Any cancer survivor of such intensive treatment—indeed, anyone who has endured aggressive medical battles against any disease—knows firsthand the enormous importance of the "psychological factor." Now I am an old-fashioned rationalist of the most unreconstructed sort. I brook no mysticism, no romantic Southern California nonsense about the power of mind and spirit. I assume that positive attitudes and optimism have salutary effects because mental states can feed back upon the body through the immune system. In any case, I think that everyone would grant an important role to the maintenance of spirit through adversity; when the mind gives up, the body too often follows. (And if cure is not the ultimate outcome, quality of remaining life becomes, if anything, even more important.)
Nothing is more discouraging, more destructive of the possibility of such a positive attitude—and I do speak from personal experience here—than the serious side effects induced by so many treatments. Radiation and chemotherapy are often accompanied by long periods of intense and uncontrollable nausea. The mind begins to associate the agent of potential cure with the very worst aspect of the disease—for the pain and suffering of the side effects is often worse than the distress induced by the tumor itself. Once this happens, the possibility for an essential psychological boost and comfort may disappear—for the treatment seems worse than the disease itself. In other words, I am trying to say that the control of severe and long-lasting side effects in cancer treatment is not merely a question of comfort (though Lord only knows that comfort to the suffering is enough of a rationale), but an absolutely essential ingredient in the possibility of cure.
I had surgery, followed by a month of radiation, chemotherapy, more surgery, and a subsequent year of additional chemotherapy. I found that I could control the less severe nausea of radiation by conventional medicines. But when I started intravenous chemotherapy (Adriamycin), absolutely nothing in the available arsenal of antiemetics worked at all. I was miserable and came to dread the frequent treatments with an almost perverse intensity.
I had heard that marihuana often worked well against nausea. I was reluctant to try it because I have never smoked any substance habitually (and didn't even know how to inhale). Moreover, I had tried marihuana twice (in the usual context of growing up in the sixties) and had hated it. (I am something of a Puritan on the subject of substances that, in any way, dull or alter mental states—for I value my rational mind with an academician's over-weening arrogance. I do not drink alcohol at all, and have never used drugs in any "recreational" sense.) But anything to avoid nausea and the perverse wish it induces for an end of treatment.
The rest of the story is short and sweet. Marihuana worked like a charm. I disliked the "side effect" of mental blurring (the "main effect" for recreational users), but the sheer bliss of not experiencing nausea—and then not having to fear it for all the days intervening between treatments—was the greatest boost I received in all my year of treatment, and surely had a most important effect upon my eventual cure. It is beyond my comprehension—and I fancy I am able to comprehend a lot, including much nonsense—that any humane person would withhold such a beneficial substance from people in such great need simply because others use it for different purposes.
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/library/gould_marijuana.html
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Re: Obama Campaign Retracts Statement Supporting Decriminalization [Re: lonestar2004]
#8032793 - 02/16/08 09:30 PM (6 months, 16 days ago) |
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I sadly have to agree with your assessment of Obama, though, albeit for different reasons. I was under the (false) impression that he was opposed to both the Iraq war, as well as the "War on Drugs", to a much greater extent than any other establishment candidate, especially Hillary Clinton. Perhaps his ethnicity made me inclined to believe that this could be the case, but thankfully & sadly, a recent counterpunch.org article clarified my erroneous conceptions & sobered my false (slight) optimism for him. Once again in 2008, opponents of war & militarism (& this includes the so-called "War on Drugs") have no candidate to vote for in the general election who will get even 5% of the popular vote. What else is new in the American political landscape since the 1912 presidential campaign of Eugene V. Debs... sadly, this reflects the support, both active & passive, for war & militarism among the solid majority of the American public more than anything else, though.
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Re: Obama Campaign Retracts Statement Supporting Decriminalization [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#8033423 - 02/17/08 01:03 AM (6 months, 15 days ago) |
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It's always been about the lesser of the available evils.
...and from what I've heard Obama is better than McCain or Clinton when it comes to decriminalization.
"Did you inhale?" "The point was to inhale. That was the point."

lonestar2004 just likes smearing Democrats anytime, anyplace he gets the chance... don'cha Lonestar?
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Re: Obama Campaign Retracts Statement Supporting Decriminalization [Re: lonestar2004]
#8037714 - 02/18/08 12:21 PM (6 months, 14 days ago) |
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lonestar2004 said: Obama Campaign Retracts Statement Supporting Decriminalization
Washington, DC: Senator Barack Obama’s campaign backed away from statements made last week affirming the Senator’s support for decriminalizing marijuana, after being confronted with inconsistencies in his past and present campaigns on the issue by the Washington Times.
A spokesman for Obama’s campaign blamed confusion over the meaning of decriminalization for the inconsistencies, and said that while Obama does not support decriminalization, "we are sending far too many first-time, nonviolent drug users to prison for very long periods of time, and that we should rethink those laws."
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7506
This has made me think of changing my mind about Obama. I can't stand flip-flopping, especially on these kinds of issues.
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Re: Obama Campaign Retracts Statement Supporting Decriminalization [Re: bradmassive]
#8046258 - 02/20/08 07:13 AM (6 months, 12 days ago) |
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Damn people we got to start somewhere.
It's better than that "I didn't inhale" bullshit!
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Isn't it better for a candidate to support decriminalization even if they back away a bit at election time than support a regressive, non-functioning Drug Policy 100% of the time?
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Re: Obama Campaign Retracts Statement Supporting Decriminalization [Re: blackegg]
#8046328 - 02/20/08 08:10 AM (6 months, 12 days ago) |
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If Obama came out now for legalization he wouldnt win. He is in a delicate spot, but his heart is there. Reminds me of JFK in some ways.
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Re: Obama Campaign Retracts Statement Supporting Decriminalization [Re: warriorsoul]
#8053628 - 02/21/08 07:57 PM (6 months, 11 days ago) |
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If Obama came out now for legalization he wouldnt win.
lol, i hadn't thought of that. However, i still don't see him doing much in that area even after he is elected. One can only hope that he will have progressive policies in this area... if he is elected. If he tried such as radical move like decriminalization, though, the Republicans in Congress would probably try to impeach him on a charge of supporting terrorism against America's children.
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Re: Obama Campaign Retracts Statement Supporting Decriminalization [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#8053968 - 02/21/08 09:12 PM (6 months, 11 days ago) |
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ending the drug war is as easy as a presidential directive. if bush can start wars at will i'm sure the next president (obama)will have the power to end the war on drugs at will.
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Re: Obama Campaign Retracts Statement Supporting Decriminalization [Re: SlashOZ]
#8054678 - 02/21/08 11:31 PM (6 months, 10 days ago) |
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i'm sure the next president (obama)will have the power to end the war on drugs at will.
maybe if there's some Marijuana 9/11 to frighten people out of their current NASCAR watchin', sister lovin', budweiser drinkin' habits of thought.
-------------------- 'Pain is meant to wake us up. People try to hide their pain. But they're wrong. Pain is something to carry, like a radio. You feel your strength in the experience of pain. It's all in how you carry it. That's what matters. Pain is a feeling. Your feelings are a part of you. Your own reality. If you feel ashamed of them, and hide them, you're letting society destroy your reality. You should stand up for your right to feel your pain and leave the Shroomery.' ~ Jim Morrison
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Re: Obama Campaign Retracts Statement Supporting Decriminalization [Re: blackegg]
#8088901 - 03/01/08 07:30 AM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
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i'm just saying he can do it without asking for approval from anyone.
-------------------- "Life sucks but in this really beautiful way" - Axl Rose
"When people don't know what you're about they put you down and shut you out" - Black Sabbath
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Re: Obama Campaign Retracts Statement Supporting Decriminalization [Re: SlashOZ]
#8122864 - 03/09/08 10:07 AM (5 months, 25 days ago) |
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McCain
Hopefully he will nominate conservative Supreme court judges who want to limit federal power.
Hey, Lonestar. I don't know if you've noticed but a lot of these Republicans lately have not done shit to limit federal power and in fact have increased federal bureaucracy and spending to astronomical limits in the past 8 years. Mccain will only continue these ill-fated policies if he were to be elected.
Oh, and your idea of him being a better candidate for his position on drugs is pure fantasy.
The thread where we talk about Mccain's shitty stance on drugs compared to that of Democrats
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Re: Obama Campaign Retracts Statement Supporting Decriminalization [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
#8144610 - 03/14/08 01:46 AM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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So what if Obama say that he doesn't support decriminalization NOW? How much of one's campaign does a president ACTUALLY stick to? At least we know that he did drugs, had friends who did drugs, and probably knows what bullshit the drug war is. There is hope... As long as he doesn't jump on the profit bandwagon of anti-drug politics.
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