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#7986041 - 02/06/08 09:45 AM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article3315623.ece
Drug dealers are preying on patients in mental health units by pretending that they are friends and selling them cannabis, a government health chief revealed last night.
Louis Appleby, national director for mental health at the Department of Health, told The Times it was “well known” that dealers found their way into mental health units and exploited patients who were seriously ill. Some hospitals have brought in sniffer dog patrols to scare dealers off but staff say that they have no rights to stop patients and friends coming in or out, or to search anyone who may be carrying drugs.
Professor Appleby’s comments came as it was revealed that the potent “skunk” form of the drug now accounts for up to 80 per cent of cannabis sold on the street — up from 15 per cent six years ago. The latest figures were revealed yesterday at a meeting of the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs, a government body that is considering whether cannabis should be returned to Class B status with tougher penalties for those caught in possession.
The Government has indicated its support for reclassification, as revealed by The Times last month, amid growing concerns about the health effects of cannabis. It has been linked to an increased risk of psychotic illness and other associated mental health problems.
In some cases, Professor Appleby said, the dealers pretended they were known or related to the patients to get access to the wards. In others they were known to the patients, either as a friend or as their regular dealer.
Marcus Roberts, policy director of the mental illness charity MIND, said there was no doubt that drug dealing ocurred “on a lot of wards” throughout the country. “Drugs coming on to wards is a significant issue for health workers as they can impede and setback remedies and treatment in their unit,” he said.
Mr Roberts added that on occasions patients might get access to more cannabis than they needed and sell it on to others on the wards. The problem also occurred with mentally ill patients being looked after in the community, where drugs were even more accessible. Although the issue was evidently widespread it was hard to quantify as no data had been collected on the issue, he said.
Professor Appleby argued that most of the dealers would not be from big crime organisations and were likely to be dealing small amounts of cannabis. The Department of Health was encouraging NHS trusts to have greater communication with the police, but also to ensure that cannabis-using patients were not criminalised — a concern for staff who are anxious not to breach patient confidentiality.
A police source said yesterday that they “would of course investigate if an allegation about drug-dealing in hospitals was received”.
Giving evidence to the Advisory Council yesterday, Simon Byrne, spokesman for the Association of Chief Police Officers, said that his organisation supported moving the drug back to the higher category. This would make ordinary possession of the drug an arrestable offence.
Mr Byrne, who is Assistant Chief Constable of Merseyside, added: “We have raided over 2,000 farms in the last 12 months. They will typically contain 400 plants, although the biggest we have found had 20,000 plants. The reason that this has exploded is the relationship between risk and reward. Because it is a Class C drug and the risks are lower, criminals are taking advantage of that.”
Samples of cannabis seized by police in the last few weeks show that skunk, or sinsemilla, has a huge share of the market and is squeezing out other types of cannabis. Cannabis resin now accounts for 20 per cent of use, compared with 60-70 per cent in 2002; “traditional” herbal cannabis now accounts for only 5 per cent, compared with 15 per cent six years ago.
Les King, a Home Office adviser, told the Advisory Council: “The large increase in the market share of sinsemilla appears to have come about in the last few years. It is now clearly the dominant product. It coincides with the rise of these large organised criminal concerns run by the Vietnamese.”
David Potter, of GW Pharmaceuticals, who has led a separate survey of samples from several police forces, said he had found a similar swing towards stronger cannabis. “It’s like a wave moving towards the more potent end,” he told the council.
Professor Appleby, who also gave evidence to the Advisory Council yesterday, added: “I think we, as health professionals, have for laudable reasons . . . been guilty of complacency on the issue of cannabis.
“Now the evidence is pointing towards cannabis as a cause of severe mental illness.”
Potent variety
— Skunk is a type of cannabis containing two or three times the normal amount of THC, the active ingredient
— It is named after its strong smell
— The maximum penalty for possession is two years in prison plus an unlimited fine, although police are more likely to let first-time offenders off with a warning
— The maximum penalty for supply of skunk is 14 years in prison plus an unlimited fine
— Skunk costs about £200 per ounce
— There is evidence that skunk can trigger mental health problems, such as schizophrenia. It can also lower sperm count in men and suppress ovulation in women.
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Re: Cannabis dealers prey on hospitals [Re: b0red5tiff]
#7986080 - 02/06/08 10:02 AM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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what is with these articles talking about "skunk"? Since when is all potent marijuana skunk, and how is that any different than others?
I really don't get this... especially since skunk is ollllldddddd
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Re: Cannabis dealers prey on hospitals [Re: johnm214]
#7986140 - 02/06/08 10:20 AM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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it was revealed that the potent “skunk” form of the drug now accounts for up to 80 per cent of cannabis sold on the street
What the hell is this? Weed is weed is weed. Its like saying that big tomatoes are "Big Reds" and trying to convince people they are a different species. Its still the same thing, different growing techniques. Its almost like whoever is reporting this has no idea what he/she is talking about... 
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Re: Cannabis dealers prey on hospitals [Re: HighHat]
#7986164 - 02/06/08 10:38 AM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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THIS IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS THING I HAVE EVER HEARD
NO FUCKING WAY
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Re: Cannabis dealers prey on hospitals [Re: throy]
#7986198 - 02/06/08 10:50 AM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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— Skunk costs about £200 per ounce
In magic fantasy land it does. Here it's £140 for good stuff.
Don't listen to UK journalists. They have not got a fucking clue about cannabis, and to them, it's all skunk. Even seedy bushweed.
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Re: Cannabis dealers prey on hospitals *DELETED* [Re: Visionary Tools]
#7986235 - 02/06/08 11:10 AM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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“Useless laws weaken the necessary laws.”
-Montesquieu, 1748
The thesis that I want to advance today is that the drug war and the laws that prohibit the private consumption of certain drugs are unconstitutional. Prohibition laws, themselves, violate every tenet of limited government that is embodied in our Constitution.
http://www.paulhager.org/libertarian/drug_con.html
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Re: Cannabis dealers prey on hospitals [Re: Chemy]
#7986260 - 02/06/08 11:15 AM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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In the UK are the media not responsible for what they print?
Who controls the uk media,is it monopolized or owned by a multitude of individuals?
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Chemy
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Re: Cannabis dealers prey on hospitals [Re: Fnord]
#7986277 - 02/06/08 11:19 AM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Fnord said:
In the UK are the media not responsible for what they print?
NO
Same as the US, No, they are not held accountable for false information.
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“There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them". -Ayn Rand
“Useless laws weaken the necessary laws.”
-Montesquieu, 1748
The thesis that I want to advance today is that the drug war and the laws that prohibit the private consumption of certain drugs are unconstitutional. Prohibition laws, themselves, violate every tenet of limited government that is embodied in our Constitution.
http://www.paulhager.org/libertarian/drug_con.html
Edited by Chemy (02/06/08 11:20 AM)
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Re: Cannabis dealers prey on hospitals [Re: Chemy]
#7986336 - 02/06/08 11:39 AM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Chemy said:
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Fnord said:
In the UK are the media not responsible for what they print?
NO
Same as the US, No, they are not held accountable for false information.
Well, that's not entirely true. If they said the queen is a cunt, she's in a position to make sure they can enjoy an ultimate roadtrip in Paris. If they say Rupert Murdoch is a greedy rich bastard that has done more than anyone else ever to surpress freedom of expression, they'd get sued.
But cannabis dealers aren't going to sue them for defamation, and their customers are wiser than the journalists. But that's not saying much, a broken dog turd has more wisdom than a journalist.
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— There is evidence that skunk can trigger mental health problems, such as schizophrenia. It can also lower sperm count in men and suppress ovulation in women.
Anyone else find this funny?
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Chemy
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It's not funny because it is used to manipulate retarded "normal" citizens to hate or have a condescending opinion of drug users.
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“There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them". -Ayn Rand
“Useless laws weaken the necessary laws.”
-Montesquieu, 1748
The thesis that I want to advance today is that the drug war and the laws that prohibit the private consumption of certain drugs are unconstitutional. Prohibition laws, themselves, violate every tenet of limited government that is embodied in our Constitution.
http://www.paulhager.org/libertarian/drug_con.html
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Re: Cannabis dealers prey on hospitals [Re: b0red5tiff]
#7986844 - 02/06/08 01:57 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Louis Appleby, national director for mental health at the Department of Health, told The Times it was “well known” that dealers found their way into mental health units and exploited patients who were seriously ill.
I didn't know that they allow seriously ill mental patients keep money on them. Yet alone when the fuck would they get the chance to smoke any of this weed? They treat these people like criminals in a prison.
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Re: Cannabis dealers prey on hospitals [Re: ShroooomerToo]
#7988764 - 02/06/08 08:00 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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since when does sinsemilla=potency?
last time i checked, that was a genetics thing
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Re: Cannabis dealers prey on hospitals [Re: itsthedank]
#7988898 - 02/06/08 08:17 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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I think entirely too big a deal is made over UK journalists use of the word skunk. How hard is it to understand that when they're using the word skunk they're referring to high quality cannabis rather than hash, or shitty imported compressed brick weed?
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Re: Cannabis dealers prey on hospitals [Re: itsthedank]
#7990635 - 02/07/08 06:39 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
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itsthedank said:
since when does sinsemilla=potency?
last time i checked, that was a genetics thing
Sure, genetics helps, but with the right growing technique, you could take the seeds out of bushweed and grow some potent stuff out of it.
All the bushweed I have encountered is sativa strains anyway, which are my personal favorite.
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Re: Cannabis dealers prey on hospitals [Re: itsthedank]
#7991084 - 02/07/08 10:39 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
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itsthedank said:
since when does sinsemilla=potency?
last time i checked, that was a genetics thing
You've never actually checked, have you?
It comes from the Spanish words "sin semilla" meaning "without seed".
It's achieved through the simple technique of culling the males.
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Re: Cannabis dealers prey on hospitals [Re: b0red5tiff]
#7992086 - 02/07/08 03:01 PM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
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b0red5tiff said:
Professor Appleby, who also gave evidence to the Advisory Council yesterday, added: “I think we, as health professionals, have for laudable reasons . . . been guilty of complacency on the issue of cannabis.
Am I reading this right? Did he just essentially say that they 'as health professionals' didn't think that issue was a big deal? And with good reason?!
Well, I guess it is a pretty harmless plant...
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Chemy
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Noooo, hes saying health professionals have been complacent.
The health prossionals haven't been speaking out against cannabis.
That's my interpretation.
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“Useless laws weaken the necessary laws.”
-Montesquieu, 1748
The thesis that I want to advance today is that the drug war and the laws that prohibit the private consumption of certain drugs are unconstitutional. Prohibition laws, themselves, violate every tenet of limited government that is embodied in our Constitution.
http://www.paulhager.org/libertarian/drug_con.html
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Re: Cannabis dealers prey on hospitals [Re: Chemy]
#7994357 - 02/07/08 11:02 PM (6 months, 17 days ago) |
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“I think we, as health professionals, have for laudable reasons . . . been guilty of complacency on the issue of cannabis.
He is admitting that health professionals have for [for {reasons} worthy of praise (laudable)] have been [feeling satisfied with themselves (complacent)] on the issue of cannabis.
So. Does this mean that they feel that they are worthy of praise in not speaking out against cannabis because there is no reason for them to speak against it implying that weed IS safe? Do they feel complacent because they are standing by what is right and not succumbing to political pressure to lie about weed?
Its like a coded message from doctors, all dressed up in flowery language to keep their licenses from being taken away. Clear, but with just enough ambiguity to keep them out of trouble.
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Re: Cannabis dealers prey on hospitals [Re: HighHat]
#7996591 - 02/08/08 02:54 PM (6 months, 17 days ago) |
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Yeah, seriously. If patients were getting high and causing a ruckus then I could def. see it being a problem, but from the sounds of that statement it might just be the opposite...or maybe they're just in it for the bribe money?
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itsthedank said:
since when does sinsemilla=potency?
last time i checked, that was a genetics thing
Sure, genetics helps, but with the right growing technique, you could take the seeds out of bushweed and grow some potent stuff out of it.
All the bushweed I have encountered is sativa strains anyway, which are my personal favorite.
yea, thats true...sativas are a treat for me too
and yea, i know what sinsemilla means...the way the article put it made it sound that sinsemilla and skunk are the most potent and dangerous forms of cannabis when theres far more potent stuff out there! 
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Re: Cannabis dealers prey on hospitals [Re: itsthedank]
#7998830 - 02/09/08 01:00 AM (6 months, 16 days ago) |
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Your most potent cannabis gram for gram will be sinsemilla.
Skunk is a genetic ancestor of most of today's strains, so it's hard to say exactly what is and isn't skunk to the layman.
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Re: Cannabis dealers prey on hospitals [Re: itsthedank]
#7999190 - 02/09/08 06:03 AM (6 months, 16 days ago) |
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itsthedank said:
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Visionary Tools said:
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itsthedank said:
since when does sinsemilla=potency?
last time i checked, that was a genetics thing
Sure, genetics helps, but with the right growing technique, you could take the seeds out of bushweed and grow some potent stuff out of it.
All the bushweed I have encountered is sativa strains anyway, which are my personal favorite.
yea, thats true...sativas are a treat for me too
and yea, i know what sinsemilla means...the way the article put it made it sound that sinsemilla and skunk are the most potent and dangerous forms of cannabis when theres far more potent stuff out there!
Dangerous? The only problem with potency is when you have something really strong, put in a pinch, and your heart is racing.
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