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 Re: ??Country of origin?? [Re: sturmer88]
#8271020 - 04/11/08 07:25 PM (7 months, 20 days ago) |
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no claims to that, i just was judging by the pics on the website, ...so far.
it is crazy the amount of active shrooms out there. i find it odd that so many are refered to as cubes. though those are all i have come across. spore wise.
my newest addition is psilocybe azurescens hammond
i have a plan for the 55F fruiting. has anyone actually succeeded with azures indoors? i will spawn extra for outdoors as well to ensure. never can have enough eggs in different baskets.
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Re: ??Country of origin?? [Re: poopsuardo]
#8271495 - 04/11/08 09:05 PM (7 months, 20 days ago) |
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I'm going to attempt the same with Ps. Cyans. I'd love to hear your plan for the 55F temp plan. I have my grain just started colonizing. I'm gonna spawn to sawdust when ready.
I'm really interested to see the difference of Ps Cyans to Ps Cubensis. I believe it was the Cyan or Azure that I took once where I only ate a gram and lost all connections with reality. It was great. It couldn't of been any Cubensis strains. I bought them outside of a hippie concert. I've been trying to figure out what strain or species it was ever since.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Cervantes]
#8271889 - 04/11/08 10:47 PM (7 months, 20 days ago) |
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I was wondering if someone could tell me about the difference in trip from strain to strain.
I've been looking at gulf coast, treasure coast, and golden teacher. they all look great.
does anyone know what the difference is in how they affect you?
is there a difference?
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: astridoak]
#8271953 - 04/11/08 11:01 PM (7 months, 20 days ago) |
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One of the many strains I'm growing out right now is Golden Teacher. I haven't been able to try it yet but I have noticed that out of the 3 other strains I'm growing PESA, TEXAN, and KSS. The Golden Teacher takes the longest to fruit.
The quickest was Texans than a couple days later PESA started to fruit and about a week later Koh Samui 'Super Strain' has just begun but Golden Teacher hasn't even began to pin yet.
I know you were asking about difference in trip but unfortunately I haven't gotten that far yet. Once I try them I'll be sure and let you know
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: astridoak]
#8272010 - 04/11/08 11:24 PM (7 months, 20 days ago) |
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astridoak said:
I was wondering if someone could tell me about the difference in trip from strain to strain.
I've been looking at gulf coast, treasure coast, and golden teacher. they all look great.
does anyone know what the difference is in how they affect you?
is there a difference?
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: dill705]
#8272337 - 04/12/08 01:30 AM (7 months, 20 days ago) |
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@poopsuardo
@astridoak
@sturmer88
It's good that you have found the strain thread to post your questions in, but you could have find out all of them, by reading it. This is one reason it exists 
@poopsuardo
Psilocybe cubensis is one species, no matter what name it carries or where it's from.
Generally most cubensis strains look quiet a like, though there are several cubensis that develop certain characteristics, other don't (they can do it as well, but don't very often).
These differences might be the colour, texture, shape of cap, the veil and it's preference to break away cleanly or stay attached for a long time or whatnot.
Some strains look quiet unique, do to the help of cultivating scientists. You'll come across strains such as the Penis Envy (which is an phallic looking isolate, made by Terence Mckenna), the Koh Samui Super Strain, which was created to isolate the tendency of the regular Koh Samui strain, to develop dwarfish and weird looking fruits or all of the albino strains, where the colour ranges from a dirty pale to pure white.
Another exception seems to be the Orissa India strain, that tends to develop extremely large fruits.
Anyway, all cube strains, weather they are unique looking or not, inhibit the genetic information to develop a whole range of different looking fruits.
So any strain can develop any kind of fruit. The only difference is, that some strains tend to develop them more regularly than they develop normal looking fruits.
You can cultivate a strain, that looks like the perfectly normal cubensis, while the next time you cultivate it, it looks completely different from what you expected.
Again, no matter what way a cube strain looks, it's still a Psilocybe cubensis and therefore the same species.
They all require the same grow parameters to develop well.
Psilocybe cyanescens is the same genus (Psilocybe) as cubensis, but it's a completely different species, that looks pretty different from Ps. cubensis.
It is much more potent and grows in a totally different climate.
It is a so called wood lover, which means it grows on wood chips, that provide the nutrients it needs to grow.
It needs cool temperatures, while the cubensis is a tropical / sub tropical species.
Here's two picture to show you the difference:
Psilocybe Cubensis:
Psilocybe Cyanescens:
@astridoak
Trips are always judged subjectively, and they are always different. Not only from "user" to "user", but also from trip to trip.
Many factors have influence on the way you trip.
Beside the alkaloid content of every single fruit you consume (which can vary GREATLY), it's the "setting" you trip in and the "set" of your mind.
I could tell you, what I -personally- experience with the different strains of cubes, though that wouldn't be what you'll experience and therefore would be futile.
Do yourself a favor and gather your own experience, since this is the only real way to find out what they are like.
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Re: ??Country of origin?? [Re: sturmer88]
#8273061 - 04/12/08 07:09 AM (7 months, 20 days ago) |
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azurescens grow in washington and oregon where the happy medium between the average low and high in late september when they fruit is arond 54degrees. usually til nov-dec. though they are said to grow into january at times with a little love. achieve pinning of azures, i have a basement where i will place my portable greenhouse. the basement is typically 10 deg cooler than the rest of the house but i will run an ac just for them cuz summer is coming soon. i should only need to cool by 5-10 degrees. i will attempt to exhaust the heat from the up the vent for my furnace. another idea i had, how about a wine chiller if you have one available already has a light wired in it. or an old fridge, maybe even a cooler that you elevate them in with ice on the bottom.
as far as your dose: azures are the flyng saucers smooth around the bottom edge of the cap. cyans have like sine waves going around their edges. typically of course. azurescens are said to have around. 2.5 psilocibin whereas cyans are said to be close to cubes at around 1.5. all are different so i'm not saying they all are.
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Re: ??Country of origin?? [Re: poopsuardo]
#8273143 - 04/12/08 08:16 AM (7 months, 20 days ago) |
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cyans are said to have around. 2.5 psilocibin whereas cyans are said to be close to cubes at around 1.5. all are different so i'm not saying they all are.
Ahm... what do you mean by that??
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Re: ??Country of origin?? [Re: Fahkface]
#8273713 - 04/12/08 12:45 PM (7 months, 19 days ago) |
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azures are 2.5 cyans 1.5 psilocibin content. sorry typo.
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Re: cubensis or cyanescens? [Re: Juke Adro]
#8274146 - 04/12/08 02:39 PM (7 months, 19 days ago) |
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Juke Adro said:
whats Ereal strain ?
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Stroph said:
I got an Ereal from the FSRE last year, also. Eric told me the same thing, "It's a strain that was donated to the FSRE from either the Ukraine or U.S.S.R." Those were his exact words. When I cultivated them, they were medium size, but very abundant. The stems were hollow to slightly stuffed. Caps were medium dark. As for potency, I can't tell you because I don't eat them anymore. It's not really a bad strain. VVVVGets strengthener's ErealVVVV
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Fahkface]
#8274484 - 04/12/08 04:05 PM (7 months, 19 days ago) |
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thank you for the info Fahkface. that was most interesting and it makes total sense. i imagine that cetain strains can develop higher levels of potency(over hundreds of years possibly) if their environment is ideal.
thanks for everyone's feedback.
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Re: ??Country of origin?? [Re: poopsuardo]
#8274671 - 04/12/08 05:06 PM (7 months, 19 days ago) |
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poopsuardo said:
azures are 2.5 cyans 1.5 psilocibin content. sorry typo.
how about mexicana?
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N00bs,
Be sure to at the very least, skim this thread before asking questions than have been answered elsewhere... or use the search feature.
Jinxed, here's the answer to your potency question... but this thread is really reserved for cubensis strain discussion... so we shouldn't discuss other species for too long in this thread.
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Cervantes said:
I think it is a good time to discuss the potency of Mexicana Sclerotia.
This question gets asked a lot and it is good to know the answer.
How potent is sclerotia when compared with cubensis?
It depends.
Fresh sclerotia is 2x as potent as fresh cubensis... gram for gram.
Dry sclerotia is 2/3 as potent as dry cubensis gram for gram.
"WTF?", you ask.
No, mexicana doesn't lose a HUGE amount of potency when it is dried.
When fresh, Mexicana sclerotia is 30% dry matter and only 70% water. Compare this to a fresh cube which is 90% water and only 10% dry matter. When you eat fresh sclerotia... for every bite you take, you are eating 3X as much fungus per bite than you do when you chew on a fresh cube.
Once dried, the potency comparison changes completely. Without the water, a dry gram of sclerotia is 100% dry matter and a gram of cubensis is 100% dry matter too. Duh! So a dry gram of sclerotia contains the same amount of dry matter as a dry gram of cubensis. Simple.
Dry sclerotia is only 2/3 as potent as dry cubensis.
That is how it is.
What follows is some simple math. Perhaps this will make more sense to some people.
If cubensis potency = 1
Then, sclerotia potency = 2/3 = .66666666666
If fresh sclerotia contains 3X as much dry matter per gram as fresh cubensis,
Then, fresh sclerotia = .66666666666 X 3 = 2
Fresh sclerotis is 2X as potent as cubensis.
Phwew, the math part's done.
Any questions, comments, better ways of explaining this potency issue?
It is important you understand before you eat any.
 As for mexicana shrooms, I hear they are very potent... almost as potent as pan cyans! I haven't eaten mexicana shrooms. I am just relaying what I have heard.
I figure this is also, a good time to talk about the effects of eating sclerotia. They work. They are very similar to cubensis but also completely different. They are obviously from the same family of shrooms. The Philosopher stones are not the most visual thing I have tried but they are potent and they last a long time (I suspect this is because it takes a while longer to digest sclerotia than it takes to digest cubensis matter). The visuals are similar to cubes but you see things painted with broader strokes. I have seen big wipes of color and skin begins to look like clay. When I see patterns, they are less detailed than cubensis patterns tend to be. Outdoors, sclerotia visuals come to life. Nature is great with any shroom but sclerotia seems very nice. That, and it is easier to hold a coherant conversation with sclerotia. Perhaps this is why they are nicknamed philosopher's stones.
I really like a sclerotia trip... but I still hold a place in my heart for cubensis.
Sclerotia is great for hiking or park day... and it is very discrete. It looks nothing like a mushroom.
Dry sclerotia can be ground in a coffee grinder but it should not be injested whole. You simply will not digest it. Either rehydrate the stones by dunking them in water for 24 hours or grind them up in the coffee grinder.
Ground sclerotia goes great in chocolate I hear.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...3453.</a>
I know it makes wonderful tea. Try mint tea with sclerotia.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...&PHPSESSID=
Oh yeah... and there is an update in the Grow Log up above.
(Edit: Fixed the chocolate link.)
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Re: Strain Discussion [Re: Cervantes]
#8276559 - 04/13/08 03:17 AM (7 months, 19 days ago) |
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azures are 2.5 cyans 1.5 psilocibin content. sorry typo.
2.5% of Psilocybin would be surely nice, though isn't true.
It's hard to tell an average, because only very few tests have been made.
It generally seems to range from 1 to 1.8 % which is A LOT!
Ps. Cyanescens are generally not as strong as Azures, though can be VERY potent as well. The Psilocybin content seems to range from 0.8 to 1.2 %.
What I can tell from my personal experience is, that the potency of Ps. Cyanescens varies quiet a lot.
I had 2 grams and tripped really nice (though not extraordinary), but I also had 1 small fruit and tripped big time.
The three times I ate Azures, were pretty rough, since they are so strong, that the kick in is extremely uncomfortable in my opinion. The trips were really heavy and a lot more confusing than the Cyan trips.
However, it's pretty subjective and definitely not representative.
I have a lot more experience with Ps. Cyanescens and think their trip is one of the nicest.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8308422 - 04/20/08 05:46 PM (7 months, 11 days ago) |
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What about the Burmas Ive searched and searched but not finding a whole lot of info on these. Wondering if any of you guys/gals that have grown them had any luck and possibly fill me in with some info from them.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: ryon40]
#8309455 - 04/21/08 12:26 AM (7 months, 11 days ago) |
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Burma is just another cube strain, needing the same grow parameters as any other strain.
Here's a nice video from Anno that might interest you:
CLICK.
If you check my Journal, you can see, that they can turn out completely different as well, depending on the specific genetics they grow from.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Fahkface]
#8311884 - 04/21/08 07:38 PM (7 months, 10 days ago) |
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Wow thoes got pretty big haha, hopefully I have that kind of luck.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: paradis]
#8313705 - 04/22/08 09:25 AM (7 months, 10 days ago) |
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just tried some f+... it twas one of the most visual experinces ive ever had... but it still carried an extreme bodyload
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: paradis]
#8313717 - 04/22/08 09:29 AM (7 months, 10 days ago) |
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Everyone reacts differently to each strain.
For different kind of trips within the same species (cubensis), it's really hard to tell, which one is a visual strain.
Surely I experienced different trips from different strains, though I wouldn't want to say that there's "special" strains, that are actually more visual than others.
Though cubes are definitely capable of providing visual trips, you mostly have to eat strong amounts to really get what you're looking for.
And mostly these amount come with a HARD body high!
If you want visual trips I'd suggest to change species and go for Panaeolus Cyanescens, which are clearly much more visual than cubes, without much of a body high.
You can take a look at my strain library to see what strains gave me visual trips, but this again, is HIGHLY subjective and doesn't mean that you'll experience anything similar to this.
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