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 boomer q
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 Re: Lots of ice cubes now [Re: zappaisgod]
#8068445 - 02/25/08 12:40 PM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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even if theres not complete consensus in the scientific community, the fact that over 30 scientific societies and academies of science including all of the national academies of science of the major industrialized countries agree that global warming is caused mainly by human activity should at least suggest that theres something to the notion, and that its not just a guess. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_controversy)
im just not sure what people think the motivations of scientists who advocate climate change are? whats wrong with developing alternative sources of energy? oil is going to run out, thats a fact, and so is coal... so why not try to wean our dependence on finite resources? shouldnt try to innovate rather than just continue with business as usual, isnt what that country is supposed to be good at? innovating?
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Re: Lots of ice cubes now [Re: boomer q]
#8068798 - 02/25/08 02:48 PM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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I am all for conservation. At a market based price. I am all for developing alternative energy. At a market based price. Except for fusion. THAT needs to be funded by giant governments. I am in no way interested in doing anything at any expense at all based on utterly unproven and to me nonsensical notions that fossil fuel burning is a problem for warming. Meanwhile, people are burning a whole lot more wood in that supposedly environment friendly retardland called Vermont. And that's a lot worse.
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Re: Lots of ice cubes now [Re: boomer q]
#8069438 - 02/25/08 05:48 PM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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you cant use something from wiki for an argument. for all we know you wrote. you cant trust information you get off of that site.
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Re: Lots of ice cubes now [Re: xdaveman]
#8070514 - 02/25/08 10:24 PM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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Ghats true anybody can edit Wiki but the fact stands that what he said was correct.
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Re: Lots of ice cubes now [Re: Evan]
#8071488 - 02/26/08 06:56 AM (9 months, 3 days ago) |
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global warming can be effectively dealt with only by "an authoritarian form of government.
the kinds of laws and regulations that activists do call for will hand a comparably frightening degree of control over our lives to politicians and environmentalist bureaucrats.
In one form or another, every minute of our every day involves the emission of carbon dioxide, the primary greenhouse gas claimed to be the cause of climate change. Every moment we spend running our computers, lighting our homes, powering countless labor-saving appliances, driving to work or school or anywhere else--we are using industrial-scale energy to make our lives better.
But global-warming activists want our use of the fossil fuels that provide the major source of that energy to be strictly controlled by the government and severely curtailed, no matter the harm that causes.
Despite the constant assertion that global-warming science is 'settled,' it is far from certain that we face any sort of catastrophic global emergency. But in the name of 'saving the world' from unproven threats, such activists want to impose a draconian regimen of taxes, laws, regulations and controls that would affect the minutest details of our existence. Their solution to their projected 'environmental disaster' is to impose an actual economic disaster by restricting the energy that powers our civilization and subjecting its use to severe political control.
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Re: Lots of ice cubes now [Re: bodynotdead]
#8072144 - 02/26/08 11:28 AM (9 months, 3 days ago) |
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bodynotdead said:
the kinds of laws and regulations that activists do call for will hand a comparably frightening degree of control over our lives to politicians and environmentalist bureaucrats.
In one form or another, every minute of our every day involves the emission of carbon dioxide, the primary greenhouse gas claimed to be the cause of climate change. Every moment we spend running our computers, lighting our homes, powering countless labor-saving appliances, driving to work or school or anywhere else--we are using industrial-scale energy to make our lives better.
But global-warming activists want our use of the fossil fuels that provide the major source of that energy to be strictly controlled by the government and severely curtailed, no matter the harm that causes.
Despite the constant assertion that global-warming science is 'settled,' it is far from certain that we face any sort of catastrophic global emergency. But in the name of 'saving the world' from unproven threats, such activists want to impose a draconian regimen of taxes, laws, regulations and controls that would affect the minutest details of our existence. Their solution to their projected 'environmental disaster' is to impose an actual economic disaster by restricting the energy that powers our civilization and subjecting its use to severe political control.
Carbon Capping is killing us all! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
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Yes, I know it's a blog.... so don't waste time on that.
Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling
Michael Asher (Blog) - February 26, 2008 12:55 PM
World Temperatures according to the Hadley Center for Climate Prediction. Note the steep drop over the last year.
Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming
Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on.
No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.
Meteorologist Anthony Watts compiled the results of all the sources. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to erase nearly all the global warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year time. For all sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.
Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases. The dramatic cooling seen in just 12 months time seems to bear that out. While the data doesn't itself disprove that carbon dioxide is acting to warm the planet, it does demonstrate clearly that more powerful factors are now cooling it.
Let's hope those factors stop fast. Cold is more damaging than heat. The mean temperature of the planet is about 54 degrees. Humans -- and most of the crops and animals we depend on -- prefer a temperature closer to 70.
Historically, the warm periods such as the Medieval Climate Optimum were beneficial for civilization. Corresponding cooling events such as the Little Ice Age, though, were uniformly bad news.
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Seuss
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> World Temperatures according to the Hadley Center for Climate Prediction. Note the steep drop over the last year.
Thank God for Al. He saved us just in time.
> Carbon Capping is killing us all!
No, but it is a very clever way to inflate energy prices.
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Re: Lots of ice cubes now [Re: Seuss]
#8073294 - 02/26/08 04:34 PM (9 months, 3 days ago) |
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Seuss said:
> World Temperatures according to the Hadley Center for Climate Prediction. Note the steep drop over the last year.
Thank God for Al. He saved us just in time.
Imagine how far the temps would have dropped had he given up flying around telling what asses the rest of us are.
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you cant use something from wiki for an argument. for all we know you wrote. you cant trust information you get off of that site.
Oh really?
Well how do you respond to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia
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Re: Lots of ice cubes now [Re: blackegg]
#8073467 - 02/26/08 05:05 PM (9 months, 3 days ago) |
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Dude (or Dudette),
If you aren't smart enough to reply to the right person, perhaps TV is more for you.
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Re: Lots of ice cubes now [Re: Seuss]
#8073724 - 02/26/08 05:58 PM (9 months, 3 days ago) |
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Seuss said:
> Carbon Capping is killing us all!
No, but it is a very clever way to inflate energy prices.
When and how has it been used to do that?
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Dude (or Dudette),
If you aren't smart enough to reply to the right person, perhaps TV is more for you.
um...if you're speaking to me...I was replying to the person I quoted.
And if you can't figure that out you probably don't know who I'm speaking to now and certainly shouldn't be trusted with a gun.
But I still love you.
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Edited by blackegg (02/26/08 06:10 PM)
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Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming
How do you figure that?
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Re: Lots of ice cubes now [Re: zorbman]
#8077152 - 02/27/08 01:02 PM (9 months, 2 days ago) |
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well, luckily for us there are actual climate scientists studying this, and not just ignorant folks who can only regurgitate material they get from internet sources. and believe it or not, most of the scientists, maybe not all, but most, believe in anthropogenic causes of global warming. im not gonna quote something that anyone can pull up on google to prove my point, but ill just say that having gone to a fairly prestigious research university for the last 4 and a half years, and having majored in physics and minored in geology almost all my professors have been primarily research scientists, i have not encountered a single science professor who does not agree with anthropogenic causes of global warming. coincidence? im willing to bet that at the closest university to you... if you drive to it and go to the meteorology department, you wont find a single person there willing to deny that humans are having an impact on the climate. its just a feeling i have. having been in the academic sphere for almost 5 years, this topic comes up alot, and every scientist ive ever spoken with agrees. so to me, you can pull up any kinds facts or bullshit statistics on a website no problem, but if you actually go to an academic community, youll find that there is consensus among most scientists, and if you think that its all some coincidence or guesswork, or a conspiracy.... well, unfortunately we dont have long to wait for the truth to reveal itself
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Re: Lots of ice cubes now [Re: zappaisgod]
#8077319 - 02/27/08 01:59 PM (9 months, 2 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
I am in no way interested in doing anything at any expense at all based on utterly unproven and to me nonsensical notions that fossil fuel burning is a problem for warming.
im not trying to be disrespectful or anything, im just trying to figure out where the disconnect is.... you do recognize that burning fossil fuels emits carbon dioxide, dont you? that one of the products of combusting a hydrocarbon is carbon dioxide? do you not believe that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas? im not a huge fan of wikipedia, but i use it for quick little statistics, like the one about how we humans emit more than 27 thousand million metric tons of CO2 each year. do you disagree with this fact?
so if you agree that we indeed ARE flooding our atmosphere with levels of carbon dioxide not seen in (at least) millions of years, and you agree that carbon dioxide is in fact a greenhouse gas - that is to say that the carbon dioxide molecule is able to absorb infrared photons and heat the surrounding atmosphere, how can you reconcile these basic facts with your assertion that there are no facts supporting anthropogenic causes of global warming? i just dont get it, i guess, it seems pretty clear to me
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I am all for conservation. At a market based price. I am all for developing alternative energy. At a market based price. Except for fusion. THAT needs to be funded by giant governments.
why is fusion any different from any other alternative energy sources? because its so much more ambitious than, say, wind power? why should my tax dollars go towards the billions and billions of dollars needed to research and implement fusion power, but not towards the already well researched, well understood, and already workable wind power? north and south daktoa get enough wind to power the whole country, why not take advantage of that with our tax dollars? it would be alot cheaper than making several new stars all around the planet to power our civilization. dont get me wrong, im a big supporter of nuclear power, fusion and fission alike, i just dont understand why you would be willing to have our government spend billions of dollars on one form of alternative energy, as cool as it may be, but relegate other, more proven and reliable forms of alternative energy to the will of the free market.
i personally feel that the health of our planet and of the biosphere is too important to leave to the will of the market. someone might say, well, if most people want to curb greenhouse gasses and use alternative energy, then their will will be reflected in private enterprise and the business community. i feel that there are some issues that are too important to wait for public opinion to catch up. for instance, lets just say for a moment that some of the dire predictions of climate scientists will come true, and that between 2015 and 2020 we will reach a tipping point at which the positive feedbacks associated with global warming will be enter an unstoppable chain reaction resulting in a warming of, idk, lets say 4 degrees fahrenheit in the next century what if the public doesnt take the problem seriously until 2030? and only then is there a real desire by the public to save our planet... well shucks, that would be a little late, wouldnt it? and in that case, we, our generation, would be sentencing our descendants, our kids and grandkids and beyond, to a world less rich and full of life than the world we inherited. rising sea levels, no ice in the arctic, more powerful storms, not to mention the 15-35% of all life forms which would bite the dust because of this rapid change in their environments... all because we didnt take the problem seriously enough. idk, its just not a chance i wanna take, rarely is scientific fact reflected in the free market, because of the other forces at work in a marketplace. thats just me, i guess, i dont wanna take the chance that the majority of climate scientists are wrong
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Re: Lots of ice cubes now [Re: boomer q]
#8077800 - 02/27/08 04:00 PM (9 months, 2 days ago) |
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ill just say that having gone to a fairly prestigious research university for the last 4 and a half years, and having majored in physics and minored in geology almost all my professors have been primarily research scientists, i have not encountered a single science professor who does not agree with anthropogenic causes of global warming. coincidence?
Gee, do you think any of these professional research scientists have any incentives in common?
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Re: Lots of ice cubes now [Re: zorbman]
#8077822 - 02/27/08 04:08 PM (9 months, 2 days ago) |
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Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming
How do you figure that?
Perhaps you would be better off directing the question to the person who wrote the article. They were his words, not mine.
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Re: Lots of ice cubes now [Re: boomer q]
#8077846 - 02/27/08 04:15 PM (9 months, 2 days ago) |
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Lucky for us there are those with open minds who don't swallow every "crisis" hook, line and sinker.
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so to me, you can pull up any kinds facts
Good to know the facts don't matter to you.
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Re: Lots of ice cubes now [Re: zorbman]
#8078421 - 02/27/08 06:16 PM (9 months, 2 days ago) |
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zorbman said:
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Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming
How do you figure that?
Temperatures were colder than average across large swathes of central Asia, the Middle East, the western US, Alaska and China. In some parts of China and central Asia, snow fell for the first time in recored history.
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