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Way to mock a serious issue
If it was a serious issue, I wouldn't mock it.
I mocked Alar.
I mocked hair dye.
I mocked global cooling (or freezing)
I especially mock those that think that doom is just around the corner.
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The Global Warming Scam
by Nima Sanandaji and Fred Goldberg
The media portrays a dramatic image of how the ice is melting in the polar regions as a consequence of global warming. We are warned that the North Pole might become icefree during the summer months at the end of this century and that the polar bears might become extinct due to this development.
But is this really a realistic image? Sure, there is research that indicates that the ice sheets are being reduced, but there are also studies that show the complete opposite. An example of this is a study in the scientific journal Geophysical Research Letter where the Swedish researcher Peter Winsor compares data collected by submarines below the Arctic ice. His conclusions are that the thickness of the ice has been almost constant between 1986 and 1997.
If you look at the South Pole there are studies that show an increase in the mass of the ice. In a study published in the journal Nature a number of polar researchers showed that they had observed a net cooling of 0.7 degrees in the region between 1986 and 2000. Another study published in Science showed that the East-Antarctic ice sheet had grown with 45 million metric tones between 1992 and 2003.
Are the ices growing or melting? The simple answer is that there exist studies that point to both directions, perhaps indicating that scientists know relatively little about global climate. But what counts to most ordinary people is what media is reporting, and media is often highlighting the most alarming studies and seldom report of studies that go against the notion that human activity leads to global warming. To put it simply, the news is filtered through an environmentalist view of the world.
An interesting example of how media sometimes gets it wrong is how journalists reported that there had never been so little ice in the Arctic than in 2005. This claim was based on satellite images by NASA which showed that the geographic extent of the ice sheet had never been so small since measurement began in 1979. One must however keep in fact that about half of the ice in the Arctic melts each summer and that two months before this measurment the extent of the ice sheet was the same as the previous year. The problem is that satellite images show the surface of the ice but not the thickness.
Capten Årnell at the summer expedition with the polar-ship Oden could tell that he had never seen so much ice in the Arctic than in 2005. It was with great difficulty that he had passed through the region. What had happened in 2005 seems to be that the ice had packed densely against the Canadian part of the Arctic. The geographical extent had been reduced but the ice was thicker.
As for polar bears, much points to that their numbers are increasing rather than diminishing. Mitch Taylor, a Canadian expert on animal populations, estimates that the number of polar bears in Canada has increased from 12 000 to 15 000 the past decade. Steven C Amstrup and his college have studied a population of polar bears in Alaska and reported that the number of females had increased from 600 to 900 between 1976 and 1992. Even a report from the WWF which is entitled "Polar bears at risk" and warns that the populations of the polar bears might become extinct due to global warming, supports that the number of polar bears is increasing. In the report the polar bears in the world are divided into 20 populations. It shows out that only 2 of these populations are decreasing, while 10 are stable, 5 are growing and 3 are not possible to comment about.
Global climate is an important issue to debate, but it is sad that what is communicated often has a clear shifting towards the worst-case scenarios and the doomsday theories. There is no reason to scare people by giving them only one side of the argument.
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Has global warming stopped?
David Whitehouse
Published 19 December 2007
'The fact is that the global temperature of 2007 is statistically the same as 2006 and every year since 2001'
Global warming stopped? Surely not. What heresy is this? Haven’t we been told that the science of global warming is settled beyond doubt and that all that’s left to the so-called sceptics is the odd errant glacier that refuses to melt?
Aren’t we told that if we don’t act now rising temperatures will render most of the surface of the Earth uninhabitable within our lifetimes? But as we digest these apocalyptic comments, read the recent IPCC’s Synthesis report that says climate change could become irreversible. Witness the drama at Bali as news emerges that something is not quite right in the global warming camp.
With only few days remaining in 2007, the indications are the global temperature for this year is the same as that for 2006 – there has been no warming over the 12 months.
But is this just a blip in the ever upward trend you may ask? No.
The fact is that the global temperature of 2007 is statistically the same as 2006 as well as every year since 2001. Global warming has, temporarily or permanently, ceased. Temperatures across the world are not increasing as they should according to the fundamental theory behind global warming – the greenhouse effect. Something else is happening and it is vital that we find out what or else we may spend hundreds of billions of pounds needlessly.
In principle the greenhouse effect is simple. Gases like carbon dioxide present in the atmosphere absorb outgoing infrared radiation from the earth’s surface causing some heat to be retained.
Consequently an increase in the atmospheric concentration of greenhouse gases from human activities such as burning fossil fuels leads to an enhanced greenhouse effect. Thus the world warms, the climate changes and we are in trouble.
The evidence for this hypothesis is the well established physics of the greenhouse effect itself and the correlation of increasing global carbon dioxide concentration with rising global temperature. Carbon dioxide is clearly increasing in the Earth’s atmosphere. It’s a straight line upward. It is currently about 390 parts per million. Pre-industrial levels were about 285 ppm. Since 1960 when accurate annual measurements became more reliable it has increased steadily from about 315 ppm. If the greenhouse effect is working as we think then the Earth’s temperature will rise as the carbon dioxide levels increase.
But here it starts getting messy and, perhaps, a little inconvenient for some. Looking at the global temperatures as used by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the UK’s Met Office and the IPCC (and indeed Al Gore) it’s apparent that there has been a sharp rise since about 1980.
The period 1980-98 was one of rapid warming – a temperature increase of about 0.5 degrees C (CO2 rose from 340ppm to 370ppm). But since then the global temperature has been flat (whilst the CO2 has relentlessly risen from 370ppm to 380ppm). This means that the global temperature today is about 0.3 deg less than it would have been had the rapid increase continued.
For the past decade the world has not warmed. Global warming has stopped. It’s not a viewpoint or a sceptic’s inaccuracy. It’s an observational fact. Clearly the world of the past 30 years is warmer than the previous decades and there is abundant evidence (in the northern hemisphere at least) that the world is responding to those elevated temperatures. But the evidence shows that global warming as such has ceased.
The explanation for the standstill has been attributed to aerosols in the atmosphere produced as a by-product of greenhouse gas emission and volcanic activity. They would have the effect of reflecting some of the incidental sunlight into space thereby reducing the greenhouse effect. Such an explanation was proposed to account for the global cooling observed between 1940 and 1978.
But things cannot be that simple. The fact that the global temperature has remained unchanged for a decade requires that the quantity of reflecting aerosols dumped put in our atmosphere must be increasing year on year at precisely the exact rate needed to offset the accumulating carbon dioxide that wants to drive the temperature higher. This precise balance seems highly unlikely. Other explanations have been proposed such as the ocean cooling effect of the Interdecadal Pacific Oscillation or the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation.
But they are also difficult to adjust so that they exactly compensate for the increasing upward temperature drag of rising CO2. So we are led to the conclusion that either the hypothesis of carbon dioxide induced global warming holds but its effects are being modified in what seems to be an improbable though not impossible way, or, and this really is heresy according to some, the working hypothesis does not stand the test of data.
It was a pity that the delegates at Bali didn’t discuss this or that the recent IPCC Synthesis report did not look in more detail at this recent warming standstill. Had it not occurred, or if the flatlining of temperature had occurred just five years earlier we would have no talk of global warming and perhaps, as happened in the 1970’s, we would fear a new Ice Age! Scientists and politicians talk of future projected temperature increases. But if the world has stopped warming what use these projections then?
Some media commentators say that the science of global warming is now beyond doubt and those who advocate alternative approaches or indeed modifications to the carbon dioxide greenhouse warming effect had lost the scientific argument. Not so.
Certainly the working hypothesis of CO2 induced global warming is a good one that stands on good physical principles but let us not pretend our understanding extends too far or that the working hypothesis is a sufficient explanation for what is going on.
I have heard it said, by scientists, journalists and politicians, that the time for argument is over and that further scientific debate only causes delay in action. But the wish to know exactly what is going on is independent of politics and scientists must never bend their desire for knowledge to any political cause, however noble.
The science is fascinating, the ramifications profound, but we are fools if we think we have a sufficient understanding of such a complicated system as the Earth’s atmosphere’s interaction with sunlight to decide. We know far less than many think we do or would like you to think we do. We must explain why global warming has stopped.
David Whitehosue was BBC Science Correspondent 1988–1998, Science Editor BBC News Online 1998–2006 and the 2004 European Internet Journalist of the Year. He has a doctorate in astrophysics and is the author of The Sun: A Biography (John Wiley, 2005).] His website is www.davidwhitehouse.com
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The planet warms. The planet cools. It is a natural progression that has been going on since long before there were SUV's and a George Bush to blame.
Mock? What I am truly mocking is chowderheads who scream the sky is falling every time there is a new "scare de jour".
I take it lightly because I have been around for long enough (50 years) to see scares come and go. I take it lightly because there is NO consensus as to whether or not there is a problem, if it is caused by mankind, if it is natural or even if there is anything that can be done about it. I take it lightly because of the hypocritical assholes that tell us we must change our lifestyle while jetting around in their private planes and living in mansions that burn more electricity in a month that most homes do in a year. I take it lightly because of the dumbfucks who say the debate is over when their models are consistently wrong.
To be blunt..... I take it lightly because of people like you who are so convinced we are doomed that any other point of view is immediately discarded and laughed at.
(Oh yes, I take it lightly because I hate penguins and hope they all drown when the ice finishes melting)
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Re: Global warming is killing us all! AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! [Re: Silversoul]
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If you want to die, then fine by me. I prefer to survive.
Get ready for some bad news then. If there is indeed an end caused by global warming, you'll already be long dead.
With the help of those who are supposedly going to save us.
I have no problem with humans cleaning up our act so the air smells better, doesn't harm or poison us and things look better. I like nature quite a bit. However, believing the planet (or humans) are doomed based on current evidence is beyond foolish.
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Re: Global warming is killing us all! AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#7781482 - 12/20/07 12:40 PM (11 months, 9 days ago) |
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To still doubt global warming has pushed you beyond foolish and far in to ridiculous.
Ostrich.
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Re: Global warming is killing us all! AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! [Re: gluke bastid]
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Here is a fine example of the Federal Government trying to control the issue
One of the few smart things the government has done (although there should be no EPA).
Allowing the states to set individual rules is short-sighted feel good crap. Of course it IS a good way to keep the riff-raff out. What better way to keep low earners from moving into a state than telling them they have to buy a new (and very expensive) car before being allowed to move into a different state.
State Official: Like sorry dude, your car doesn't meet OUR standards. Come back when you have a new one.
Unlucky car owner: But I can't afford a new car.
S.O.: Sucks being you.
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Re: Global warming is killing us all! AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! [Re: FecalDildo]
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To still doubt global warming has pushed you beyond foolish and far in to ridiculous.
Ostrich.
You should learn to read.
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Re: Global warming is killing us all! AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#7781574 - 12/20/07 12:58 PM (11 months, 9 days ago) |
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If I were to post a couple of articles by proponents of Intelligent Design, that doesn't diminish that there is a scientific consensus for evolution.
Regardless, my suggestion was not just about climate change, but about the sustainability of current living habits & trends. For every person on earth to live like Americans would take between 3-5 earths. As other nations industrialize & move more towards a more 'American' lifestyle (China being most relevant), & as the human pop. continues to increase, this presents many problems that must be addressed. As climate change is relevant to these problems, it also must be address by any & all foreword-thinking people & groups to avert potential resource wars that will exacerbate problems even further.
Lastly, there is a consensus among scientists presently on this issue. It, of course, could be wrong (maybe humans didn't evolve from apes). However, a rational person would be wise to move in a direction (i.e. away from excessive pollution & reliance on fossil fuels) that common sense says one should. You are, for whatever reason, acting as someone who continues to chain-smoke as the evidence was pouring in about the negative health consequences of cigarettes; dismissing it by saying, "to hell with those scientists... trying to control my life. I'll smoke as much as I damn well please."
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Re: Global warming is killing us all! AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
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Regardless, my suggestion was not just about climate change, but about the sustainability of current living habits & trends. For every person on earth to live like Americans would take between 3-5 earths.
Then it's a good thing Americans were first in line. Sucks being the rest of the world.
Were it only a "couple" articles refuting global warming, you'd be correct. Also, merely because you agree with a point of view doesn't make those who agree "forward" thinking. The evidence IS, despite your claims, not there. There is too much disagreement by wiser minds than yours or mine.
'tis a sad person indeed who makes up their mind based on the flimsy evidence that has been placed before us. When someone comes up with an accurate model to show us that this is a problem, let me know.
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#7781675 - 12/20/07 01:20 PM (11 months, 9 days ago) |
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it is to our benefit that we preserve the ecosystem.
If the ecosystem is warming on its own (and despite what you say, this may be what is happening) then preserving the ecosystem means leaving it alone so it can continue to do its thing and warm up. That's what the ecosystem has done over and over for as long as there are records and long before we were here.
Question: If we had the power to alter history, do you think we should go back in time and interfere with every other temperature peak on the graph throughout human history?
If not, why not? And why doesn't that answer apply to the current temperature peak?
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Wanna hear something depressing? One out of three Shroomerites wants to lock me in a government cage for using a substance they don't like.
Hard to believe, right? Read it for yourself:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7874721#Post7874721
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Re: Global warming is killing us all! AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
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Re: Global warming is killing us all! AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Then it's a good thing Americans were first in line. Sucks being the rest of the world.
It's too bad the jingoism of backwards dinosaurs is still so prevalent in U.S. society. It would be so much more practical to put racism & ethnocentrism aside & embrace global citizenship, but old habits are too hard too break I guess.
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U.S. National Academy of Sciences
American Association for the Advancement of Science
NASA's Goddard Institute of Space Studies
American Meteorological Society
American Geophysical Union
Geological Society of America
American Chemical Society
American Institute of Physics
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
American Association of State Climatologists
US Geological Survey
American Astronomical Society
National Center for Atmospheric Research
Federal Climate Change Science Program, 2006 (U.S.)
Stratigraphy Commission - Geological Society of London
Engineers Australia
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute – Ocean and Climate Change Institute
The Australian Meteorological And Oceanographic Society
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospherice Sciences
Australian Academy of Sciences
Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts
Brazilian Academy of Sciences
Royal Society of Canada
Caribbean Academy of Sciences
Chinese Academy of Sciences
French Academy of Sciences
German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
Indian National Science Academy
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Royal Irish Academy
Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei (Italy)
Academy of Sciences Malaysia
Academy Council of the Royal Society of New Zealand
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
Royal Society (UK)
World Meteorological Organization
International Council on Science
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
World Wildlife Fund
Hardly a consensus apparently... just a bunch of politically-motivated socialist front groups.
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Re: Global warming is killing us all! AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7781759 - 12/20/07 01:45 PM (11 months, 9 days ago) |
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Racism? Thanks for clearly demonstrating your level of intelligence.
Wow! A list? Holy crap I have seen the error of my ways. PRAISE JESUS!
Here's one for you but with a bit of detail.
Your right about one thing when you wrote "Hardly a consensus". At least you learned today that calling something a consensus does not automatically make it so.
Good for you!
Edit: clicking on my link doesn't work but I bet someone who has learned as much as you today can copy and paste the following;
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.SenateReport
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Re: Global warming is killing us all! AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#7781827 - 12/20/07 02:13 PM (11 months, 9 days ago) |
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States should be allowed to do what they want. It is not up to individual states to cater to the needs of people's desire for ineffecient cars, or any other luxury item they feel like buying. If you want to move to a new state, you often have to jump through expensive red tape. If you don't like it, stay where you are. I think it is ridiculous for the federal government to get in the way of states regulating their own water, land and air. I guess you big government neo-con types disagree, and once again back your leader's attempt to tell everyone everywhere what they should do. 
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Re: Global warming is killing us all! AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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The statement...
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Then it's a good thing Americans were first in line. Sucks being the rest of the world.
... is a whitewashing of history. I've never seen that sentiment expressed by anyone who doesn't believe that an 'American' (however artificial & imposed that may be) life has more value that that of other's, & this is reflected by supporting policies that say as much.
Whatever link you are trying to provide appears to be something of a Senate minority report... let me guess, a speech by Republican senator Inhofe from Oklahoma, who is dumb even by Republican standards.
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Your right about one thing when you wrote "Hardly a consensus". At least you learned today that calling something a consensus does not automatically make it so.
I'll spare you having to look up the definition of 'consensus':
(1) majority of opinion
(2) general agreement or concord; harmony.
If you don't think that the groups i listed are scientific authorities, then you don't know what scientific authorities are. Of course not everyone among tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands are going to agree on this, but the same is true with evolution vs. ID. there is a consensus among scientists of evolution, just like on climate change.
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Re: Global warming is killing us all! AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
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The statement...
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Then it's a good thing Americans were first in line. Sucks being the rest of the world.
... is a whitewashing of history. I've never seen that sentiment expressed by anyone who doesn't believe that an 'American' (however artificial & imposed that may be) life has more value that that of other's, & this is reflected by supporting policies that say as much.
Develop a sense of humor. It will serve you well.
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Whatever link you are trying to provide appears to be something of a Senate minority report... let me guess, a speech by Republican senator Inhofe from Oklahoma, who is dumb even by Republican standards.
I see you haven't read it. Doesn't the messenger typically get shot after the message is read?
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I'll spare you having to look up the definition of 'consensus':
I see you can read the definition. I guess actually grasping it will come with time.
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Re: Global warming is killing us all! AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#7781867 - 12/20/07 02:27 PM (11 months, 9 days ago) |
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I clicked on your link. The quotes from the scientists listed reiterate what I have been saying the whole time, that it is not clear that human activity is the most significant source of global warming. Beyond that it proves none of your claims that the model of anthropogenic global warming has been "debunked," just that the scientific community can't really agree on how much of an effect, if any, humans are having on the atmosphere. These things take time, unfortunately.
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#7781889 - 12/20/07 02:33 PM (11 months, 9 days ago) |
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there is a scientific consensus for evolution.
How much antrhopic consensus there is debatable.
The current public attitude is downright hostile to any scientist who suggests even the possibility that warming is not antrhopic. Witness the current administrator of NOAA who made the mistake of expressing doubt about the antrhopic hypothesis and nearly got his balls handed to him by the uproar the resulted.
He immediately recanted in order to keep his job.
As for the rest of the climate scientists, if they want any kind of funding, they have to tow the line. I don't think many (any?) scientists who are studying the possibility that warming is not antrhopic can get funding for their research. That means there is a hard, media/public opinion bias in favor of research looking for evidence of antrhopic warming and against research looking for the opposite.
There is also the fact that the IPCC report on global warming (this is the BIG report that made the media freakazoids insist that 'the debate is over') claimed 2,500 scientists who collaborated were all in agreement on antrhopic warming. This appears to be an outright lie. In fact, there were only 600 scientists involved. The rest were bureaucrats, editors, and other non-scientists. Of the 600, half had comments on only one of the 11 chapters in the report and only 11 scientists commented on all the chapters. This is not consensus.
Then, of the scientist comments the IPCC did receive, more than half were rejected outright by IPCC editors. WTF? Ask for comments from experts, then reject them?
And if that's not enough to cast doubt on the IPCC report, consider this from two of the scientists who were involved:
Dr. Vincent Gray of New Zealand and Dr. Ross McKitrick of the University of Guelph, Canada. Concerning the “Greenhouse gas forcing …” statement above, Professor McKitrick explained “A categorical summary statement like this is not supported by the evidence in the IPCC WG I report. Evidence shown in the report suggests that other factors play a major role in climate change, and the specific effects expected from greenhouse gases have not been observed.”
Dr. Gray labeled the WG I statement as “Typical IPCC doubletalk” asserting “The text of the IPCC report shows that this is decided by a guess from persons with a conflict of interest, not from a tested model.”
Determining the level of support expressed by reviewers’ comments is subjective but a slightly generous evaluation indicates that just five reviewers endorsed the crucial ninth chapter. Four had vested interests and the other made only a single comment for the entire 11-chapter report. The claim that 2,500 independent scientist reviewers agreed with this, the most important statement of the UN climate reports released this year, or any other statement in the UN climate reports, is nonsense.
The rest of that article here: canadafreepress.com
This is far from consensus and it makes me wonder why the hyperbole and comment omissions? Truth doesn't need exaggeration. Truth stands on its own.
It's a fucked up system when the IPCC lies, when scientist can't speak their mind without losing their job and when scientists can't do anti-antrhopic warming research because nobody will fund it for fear of retribution by a hysterical public.
This calls into question how much consensus there REALLY is among climate scientists.
I think there may come a time when human industry is twice what it is today with global temperatures colder, and people will read history books and chuckle at 'those silly 21st century humans and their media-driven hysterics'.
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Re: Global warming is killing us all! AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! [Re: gluke bastid]
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I made no such claim.
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Re: Global warming is killing us all! AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! [Re: Diploid]
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This is far from consensus
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Re: Global warming is killing us all! AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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i thought reducing oil usage would keep us from funding terrorism or am i wrong?
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Re: Global warming is killing us all! AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! [Re: gluke bastid]
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