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 Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: oysterguy63]
#7771964 - 12/17/07 10:13 PM (11 months, 12 days ago) |
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Pretty wild to see oysters fruiting from manure based substrates. Amazing really.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Jeremy_Davis]
#7773005 - 12/18/07 07:58 AM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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yea monstermitch! ive tried these bags in the past through cultivating concepts, before they put in the rye pocket and i injected multispore solution and it still worked just great, took about a month to fully colonize and then took off, huge mushrooms, 1st harvest yielded about 45 dry grams  i cant say enough good things to say about monstermitch's signature substrate... and im glad hes sellin em at a sponsor so we can talk about em on the board... if anyone is considering these bags but not sure if theyr worth it...believe me, they are, its the ultimate set and forget tek with just about the best substrate around... i just hope sporeworks has enough of these bags to sate my hunger for MM's signature substrate
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Jeremy_Davis]
#7773952 - 12/18/07 02:05 PM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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Never said they were oysters. 
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Jeremy_Davis]
#7774693 - 12/18/07 05:34 PM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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Quote:
Jeremy_Davis said:
Pretty wild to see oysters fruiting from manure based substrates. Amazing really.
Nearly every oyster i've grown is on horse manure or compost.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Hotnuts]
#7775591 - 12/18/07 09:15 PM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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Wow that's cool. I made a half-hearted attempt years ago and got a nice pin cluster in the jar after I forgot about it, but for some reason I just never realized that they can be grown on manure based substrates. When I saw those pictures, it definitely confused me, so thanks for that info.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Jeremy_Davis]
#7775864 - 12/18/07 10:36 PM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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Since this substrate bag has the rye in it would it not entail complete sterilization of the substrate with a pc? Which I thought was kinda bad since you lose all the beneficial bacteria from the compost? Anyways great idea that's gotta be the simplest and most efficient way of growing shrooms I have seen to date.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#7776889 - 12/19/07 09:25 AM (11 months, 10 days ago) |
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The substrate in the bags is sterile. The beneficial bacteria are helpful for keeping contaminate levels down as the mushroom mycelium colonizes pasturized composts. The pasturization makes the compost more selective for mushroom mycelium than for contaminates. This saves energy and makes the compost easier to handle for large scale mushroom production. With complete sterilization, the benefits of a pasturized substrate are negated and the shelflife of the product is increased.
Sterilization isn't practical on the large scale. I have some papers from the 1960's showing tests using giant drumlike sterilizers for the preparation of materials for button mushrooms. The results were very promising in that uncomposted materials could be used which prevented the loss of substrate mass due to the composting process. But the energy costs and the risks of huge losses due to incomplete sterilization were apparently too high. The colonization process was also difficult to monitor inside the steel drums.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Workman]
#7781836 - 12/20/07 02:15 PM (11 months, 9 days ago) |
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wow I'm glad I found this!
I have a few questions:
1. How long is the shelf life for these bags?
2. I seen the species that can be grown in the description, can more species be grown then that 
3. If I were to inoculate with a spore syringe, how many CC's would it take for each bag? LC seems very complicated to me.
4. Is there a very easy to transfer Mycelium from a rye grain jar to the bags rather then innoculating through spore syringe?
5 What temperature should the bags be set at once inoculated? Its winter here in Canada right now, can I wrap these bags in something to create a warm environment for them?
Thanks so much!
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: oysterguy63]
#7782909 - 12/20/07 07:13 PM (11 months, 9 days ago) |
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Is this what MonsterMitch has been working on?
I'm pretty sure it is but I wanted to ask to make sure.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: felix4life]
#7784594 - 12/21/07 05:53 AM (11 months, 8 days ago) |
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Quote:
felix4life said:
If I were to inoculate with a spore syringe, how many CC's would it take for each bag? LC seems very complicated to me.
2cc's of spores per bag is all that is needed
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: felix4life]
#7785773 - 12/21/07 02:23 PM (11 months, 8 days ago) |
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Quote:
felix4life said:
1. How long is the shelf life for these bags?
2. I seen the species that can be grown in the description, can more species be grown then that
3. If I were to inoculate with a spore syringe, how many CC's would it take for each bag? LC seems very complicated to me.
4. Is there a very easy to transfer Mycelium from a rye grain jar to the bags rather then inoculating through spore syringe?
5 What temperature should the bags be set at once inoculated? Its winter here in Canada right now, can I wrap these bags in something to create a warm environment for them?
Thanks so much!
1. Shelf-life is pretty much indefinite, as this is a sterilized product. It should be shelf-stable for a few months at least. We haven't really tested it longer than that, but it should last a while.
2. This is a pretty diverse substrate, we list those we offer gourmet cultures for, as well as a handful of others we don't.
3. Since we offer this as a gourmet mushroom grow kit, we only make recommendations based on using our liquid culture syringes as supplied with the kit.
4. You can always do a standard grain transfer into the bag, under a sterile environment. Doesn't make much sense to do this, however, as the built in rye pocket pretty much negates the need to generate spawn outside the bag.
5. Temps depend entirely on the species you are working with, but most subtropicals like it around 80-85F.
Disclaimer regarding international shipping of these bags:
Customers Outside the USA: Shipping sterilized compost or manure may be restricted for certain destination countries. We ship this product as a "Gourmet Mushroom Grow Kit" without any specialized paperwork or certifications, and it is the responsibility of the customer to check importation regulations for suitability of shipment. Spore Works accepts no responsibility for this product when shipped to customers outside the USA and we offer no replacement guarantee if the product is seized or stopped by customs officials. Verify your local regulations and order accordingly.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: psilocyber]
#7850711 - 01/08/08 09:41 PM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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When incubating....does the poo surrounding the pocket of rye create heat on its own....or should one incubate like a normal grow bag? Just want to make sure I do not dry out the shit.
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#7851246 - 01/08/08 11:17 PM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Crasher]
#7853871 - 01/09/08 02:05 PM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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I got the bags with the Gourmet mushroom syringes. The rye patch on 1 of the bags is not on top, seems to be way over to the side and not exactly on top of the substrate, is this ok? do I still inoculate 2-3 CCs into the rye patch?
Also regarding sterilisation, I was thinking of using a cup of alcohol and dipping the needles in the cup before innoculating. Is this a good procedure?
Thanks!
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: felix4life]
#7854079 - 01/09/08 02:44 PM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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Flame sterilize your needles.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Nibin]
#7854251 - 01/09/08 03:20 PM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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I don't have an alcohol lamp, would a light be sufficient to flame sterilise?
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: felix4life]
#7889281 - 01/16/08 05:33 PM (10 months, 13 days ago) |
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OK, I have the gourmet moushroom syringe and bags ready, I need some tips:
1. Do I leave the substrate tightly packed as it is or do I shake it up before innoculating?
2. After inoculation, I will put the bags in a cool room with no light.
When do I break and shake up the Mycelium/substrate? At what point do I start giving the bags light? Is an overhead light/lamp neccesary?
Thanks
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 Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: felix4life]
#7891968 - 01/17/08 07:26 AM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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leave the substrate compact for inoculation.
they do NOT need to colonize in dark.
mix the substrate when the rye has fully colonized or the outer
substrate is about 20% colonized.
light is needed after full colonization for perfect growth.
light does NOT negatively effect colonization in any way.
light does NOT cause premature pinning, not possible.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: monstermitch]
#7892102 - 01/17/08 08:39 AM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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Not to raise any controversy about past sponsors, but M.B. who also carries these bags, says you can innocculate with a "spore syringe but its recommended to use a Liquid Culture, minimum 30cc maximum 120cc".
Why are the recommendations so different?
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Shroom Empire]
#7896161 - 01/18/08 06:19 AM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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Quote:
Shroom Empire said:
Not to raise any controversy about past sponsors, but M.B. who also carries these bags, says you can innocculate with a "spore syringe but its recommended to use a Liquid Culture, minimum 30cc maximum 120cc".
Why are the recommendations so different?
You are very, very wrong.
Mushbox does NOT carry these bags.
NOT even close, they carry some cheap knock-off version, far
behind these bags in engineering and technology.
One look at the two could even tell you that.
not even close to the same thing. I should know.
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