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OrgoneConclusion said:
Somehow they overlooked their own demise as they were much more concerned with bored, white, middle-class Americans some 400-500 years in the future.

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OrgoneConclusion said:
Somehow they overlooked their own demise as they were much more concerned with bored, white, middle-class Americans some 400-500 years in the future.

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Majawala said:

So the astronomy is accurate, but was there a situation on earth in the past that they were able to predict based on their astronomy? see where i'm goin with this?

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I haven't seen any direct references to modern world event prophecies by the Mayans.
A direct reference to any ancient information is very hard to  find these days.

Well, there's always "John's Honey Scroll Trip on St. Patmos Island" aka The Book of Revelations...

I'm not a believer in doom theories, but a cataclysm would be an interesting way to go out.

Five possibilities exist: nuclear war, alien invasion, a meteor hits us, a sister brown dwarf star grazes us, or our galactic nuclei becomes active.
The chances of any of these things happinging in the same year as the 2012 alignment seem unlikely though, imo.

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I don't deny the possibility that maybe something else is going on, but its hard to buy that planets and stars can really effect our behavior and conciousness.

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Way to be open to possibilities, however remote they may be.

The fact that the police are busier on the full moon involves more than just gravitational forces, imo.

I suspect that due to the holographic nature of reality, we each project our universe from the inside, it's a paradox, I know, but there really is no objective world "out there".
Mystics have been saying this for ages, and science is beginning to agree...

So what's happening "up there" is a fractal mirror of what's happening "in here" or "in you" - same thing ultimately, imo.

That's why the ancients "worshiped" (read: closely followed and personified) the stars and planets, because they recognized them as aspects of their own psyches.
They understood that the celestial cycles mirrored cycles within themselves - personally and collectively.

Here are some quotes that I feel hint at the true nature of Astronomology...

"...perhaps there is a pattern set up in the heavens for one who desires to see it, and having seen it, to find one in himself" - Plato

"The very first thing which we would like to clarify is that both the Tarot and the Zodiac are not external phenomena. They are not "out there" and should be considered living essences or archetypes within each individual. You are a living, breathing zodiac." - M. Tsarion

"Know that the philosopher has power over the stars, and not the stars over him." - Paracelsus

"As long as you still experience the stars as something above the head you lack the eye of knowledge." - Fredrick Nietzsche

"...when the planets of the Solar System are named or symbolized...it must not be supposed that the planetary bodies themselves are referred to, except as types on a purely physical plane of the septenary nature of the psychic and spiritual worlds." - Madame Helena Petrovna Blavatsky

"It is an erroneous interpretation of astrology to opine that special forces emanate from the planets and the stars." - R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz (Sacred Science)

"As we all know science began with the stars, and mankind discovered in them the dominants of the unconscious, the "gods," as well as the curious psychological qualities of the Zodiac: a complete projected theory of human character." – Carl Gustav Jung

For we are the stars. For we sing.
For we sing with our light.
For we are birds made of fire.
For we spread our wings over the sky.
Our light is a voice.
We cut a road for the soul
for it's journey through death.
This is the song of the stars.
For we sing, we sing with our light

Song of the Stars - Passamaquoddy Indians

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"The fact that the police are busier on the full moon involves more than just gravitational forces, imo."

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Source? There is no increase in crime nor is there greater gravity during a full moon.

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OrgoneConclusion said:
There is no increase in crime nor is there greater gravity during a full moon.

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did they even predict the 2012 thing?
i have limited backround knowledge but i was under the impression that that was just when their calender ended and we assumed it meant the end of 'time'

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did they even predict the 2012 thing?
i have limited backround knowledge but i was under the impression that that was just when their calender ended and we assumed it meant the end of 'time'

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As far as I'm aware, that's exactly what happened. I may well be wrong here, but I think there's absolutely no reference to eschatology to be found in any Mayan source- the calendar just ends.

Maybe the poor guy who had to draw out the calendars just got bored one day, or maybe they genuinely believed (correctly or not) that the world would end. Either way, they knew the date of the Winter Solstice of 2012. Impressive.

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Oh that is interesting. I can't imagine why they'd expect the world to end so specifically. Maybe they just wanted to scare everyone in the future

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bait_ said:
If i remember corectly they believed that life on earth lived in phases. When each phase ended the earth would be destroyed or rocked by a cataclysmic event and a new phase of life began. The end of the 5th phase is supposed to be Dec 25. 2012.

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