Home | Community | Message Board

MushroomCube.com
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Original Sensible Seeds High THC Strains   Myyco.com Golden Teacher Liquid Culture For Sale   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Mushroom-Hut Substrate Mix   North Spore Bulk Substrate   MagicBag.co Certified Organic All-In-One Grow Bags

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
Offlineblueox01
Stranger

Registered: 10/29/07
Posts: 14
Last seen: 16 years, 3 months
coir monotub small fruits?
    #7678576 - 11/25/07 03:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Hello,
I have a couple stack and view monotubs (12Gal) loaded with a 90% coir 10% coffee mix. I spawned them with 5 jars of rye each. I used monstermitch's guide as close as i could, with a few tweaks. Colonization went great, Cased with RR's mix from the video, pinset looked awesome, however these guys are opening caps before they even reach an inch and they look a little mutated.

According to MM Tek, you never open and mist... I live in a desert and by the time fruiting came around the condensation had totally stopped inside the tubs. I think that was an issue because all the trays that were in the same conditions had a lot of condensation. I just opened as clean as i could and checked the moisture content of the casing mix. It looks pretty moist but I think lack of water is whats making this happen. I started misting the walls, its too soon to know for sure if this is going to help.

Can anyone help me troubleshoot?

Thanks,
BO

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleChaos Creations
Pennywise says hi


Registered: 08/29/07
Posts: 143
Re: coir monotub small fruits? [Re: blueox01]
    #7678604 - 11/25/07 03:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

no need for FAE? that cant be right, that sounds like it could be your problem, too much co2 can cause mutants like short and oddly shaped mushrooms

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineblueox01
Stranger

Registered: 10/29/07
Posts: 14
Last seen: 16 years, 3 months
Re: coir monotub small fruits? [Re: Chaos Creations]
    #7678634 - 11/25/07 03:49 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

what are you talking about with no FAE? I re-read my post and can't figure out what you mean?

Are you familiar with MM's Monotub TEK? I have a fan in the room with many holes in the tubs (polyfill), half the holes right at casing level. I think I am getting dryed out because of too much FAE if anything.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemskip23
Can It All Be So Simple!
 User Gallery

Registered: 06/08/05
Posts: 1,522
Loc: Philly
Re: coir monotub small fruits? [Re: blueox01]
    #7678648 - 11/25/07 03:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

what strain?


--------------------
url=https://files.shroomery.org/files/05-26/988356075-Picture-278.gif][/url

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineblueox01
Stranger

Registered: 10/29/07
Posts: 14
Last seen: 16 years, 3 months
Re: coir monotub small fruits? [Re: mskip23]
    #7678657 - 11/25/07 03:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

john allens from ralphsters.

I have gotten some decent sized guys in straw trays.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleBUDDHA_702
Master Mycologist In Training
Male


Registered: 02/17/07
Posts: 1,296
Loc: Some Country
Re: coir monotub small fruits? [Re: mskip23]
    #7678659 - 11/25/07 03:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Pics pics pics

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleChaos Creations
Pennywise says hi


Registered: 08/29/07
Posts: 143
Re: coir monotub small fruits? [Re: mskip23]
    #7678660 - 11/25/07 03:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

you say you never open to mist, then maybe they arent getting enough fae being stuck in that small space, if you arent misting then you prob aint fanning either

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineblueox01
Stranger

Registered: 10/29/07
Posts: 14
Last seen: 16 years, 3 months
Re: coir monotub small fruits? [Re: Chaos Creations]
    #7678680 - 11/25/07 04:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

here is a weak pic.

they started pinning 3 days ago, i dont know if you can see but a lot of the pins are opening. See what you guys think.

[url=][/url]

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineblueox01
Stranger

Registered: 10/29/07
Posts: 14
Last seen: 16 years, 3 months
Re: coir monotub small fruits? [Re: blueox01]
    #7678697 - 11/25/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

the other tub looks about the same but it has some larger ones.

I see advice on here about "never open your monotub until harvest."

then i see other contrary posts. (RR)
I went with MM's TEK because he gets awesome results and he doesnt open the tubs and mess with them. Perhaps he is in a differnt climate than I am and that simply wont work in this god awful arid climate.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinepazzy
Always Hardcore


Registered: 08/24/07
Posts: 1,360
Last seen: 13 years, 4 months
Re: coir monotub small fruits? [Re: blueox01]
    #7678798 - 11/25/07 04:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

My bet would be some kind of moisture problem.

You could have made the substrate to dry to begin with or the fan and climate are making it to dry.


--------------------
Are you happy for a miracle?

:yinyang2:

Absolutely no source checks/discussions.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblejeetered
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 07/07/06
Posts: 3,055
Loc: no clue
Re: coir monotub small fruits? [Re: pazzy]
    #7678828 - 11/25/07 04:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

co2 generally causes tall skinny shrooms.
shallow substrate depths generally cause small short tiny shrooms.
I've had monsters come off coir, and i've had wimps come off coir.
just depends on how deep the sub is.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineblueox01
Stranger

Registered: 10/29/07
Posts: 14
Last seen: 16 years, 3 months
Re: coir monotub small fruits? [Re: jeetered]
    #7678909 - 11/25/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

substrate is about 5.75 inches deep. including .5 inch casing.

What is the vote on fanning and misting tubs? Since what i have been doing isnt working (neglect) do you all recommend keeping the sides misted?

when my other trays were producing small fruits i gently placed seran wrap on the top of the casing mix and the humidity under there made some monsters.

Maybe this is the same problem with the tubs?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineHunter
ilikesex


Registered: 11/03/07
Posts: 69
Last seen: 15 years, 5 months
Re: coir monotub small fruits? [Re: blueox01]
    #7678928 - 11/25/07 04:59 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I would say it has something to do with Moisture as i have no other explanation for this.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVegan
using the searchbutton
Male User Gallery


Registered: 08/16/07
Posts: 352
Last seen: 14 years, 8 months
Re: coir monotub small fruits? [Re: Hunter]
    #7679254 - 11/25/07 06:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

perhaps your holes aren't the appropriate size for those tubs??

how bout a pic of the whole tub including dimensions of the holes and locations..

I have 27%RH and had no problems with my tub drying out..though I did keep all but two of the tub holes sealed off during colonization, and then stuffed with polyfill when I pinning was introduced..

on this tub



I kept all but the top two holes sealed up..perhaps you lost a lot of moisture during colonization..

one more question how tight is the polyfill stuffed in the holes, I can be too tight IE no air current can pass through


--------------------
I came, I saw , I came back

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblejeetered
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 07/07/06
Posts: 3,055
Loc: no clue
Re: coir monotub small fruits? [Re: Vegan]
    #7679314 - 11/25/07 06:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

yeah your subs initial moisture appears to have been lacking.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineblueox01
Stranger

Registered: 10/29/07
Posts: 14
Last seen: 16 years, 3 months
Re: coir monotub small fruits? [Re: jeetered]
    #7679510 - 11/25/07 07:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Ok,

So say we are all on the same page about it being too dry, if that is the problem...

Should I wait till these little guys stop coming and dunk, or just dunk it now, or mist the piss out of it, or something else?

I thought that I mixed it pretty wet initially but i didnt cover my holes while colonization was happening. The tubs during col had a huge ammount of condensation but im sure that the higher temp helped out with that. It has just been getting gradually less and less humid looking in there but I thought that was just how it went.

I also have 2 more tubs on the way, built just like I did with the ones im having problems with. They are looking really moist right now(50% COL), when should i start misting them, or should I dunk them at 100% COL before i case.

Thanks everyone that has chimed in. I really appreciate all your help.
-Bo

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineblueox01
Stranger

Registered: 10/29/07
Posts: 14
Last seen: 16 years, 3 months
Re: coir monotub small fruits? [Re: blueox01]
    #7679531 - 11/25/07 07:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

>> one more question how tight is the polyfill stuffed in the holes, I can be too tight IE no air current can pass through

There are four, two inch diameter holes in each 12gallon stack and view, the polyfill isn't super tight in the holes. like two big handfulls forced through the holes.

Thanks
-BO

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineurayasan
Stranger

Registered: 04/10/06
Posts: 111
Last seen: 16 years, 2 months
Re: coir monotub small fruits? [Re: blueox01]
    #7680059 - 11/25/07 10:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I would place my bets on the substrate drying out, coir especially will evaporate like crazy. In my experience I get the same size fruits regardless of substrate depth, a 0.5" substrate seems completely capable of producing just as large as one at 6". The real difference comes with substrate moisture, I'm sure if you dunk you will see a remarkable change in your results, so I would say to go ahead and do that. Don't mind the pins already there, they shouldn't be particularly bothered by it.

If using a faucet to hydrate, just try not to blast the water too hard on it, that can definitely upset the little guys. And be careful how, if at all, you weigh down the substrate block. If there are already ample pins on mine I actually just let it float around under running water, you will hydrate it better if it is weighted and submerged underwater but with pins and knots forming I am always reluctant to do that for fear of damaging development. 5 or 6 hours is normally what works for me with dunking coir.

Good luck!

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePooter
Shroom Mongler
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 02/12/07
Posts: 146
Loc: With waldo.
Last seen: 8 years, 7 months
Re: coir monotub small fruits? [Re: urayasan]
    #7680137 - 11/25/07 10:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Next time you do a tub, only cut one hole and attach a cold mist. I have problems with low RH too and I used a cool mist for FAE and I'm doing excellent now.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineblueox01
Stranger

Registered: 10/29/07
Posts: 14
Last seen: 16 years, 3 months
Re: coir monotub small fruits? [Re: Pooter]
    #7680155 - 11/25/07 11:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

well, i dumped the substrate out of one of the tubs to dunk it. It was pretty dry. I should have been able to tell from the weight.

I am soaking one tub now, and the other i think i will just mist heavy a few times a day until its rehydrated.

I will consider using a cool mist.

I will see how this pans out over the next few days and report findings.
Thanks,
BO

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Shop: Original Sensible Seeds High THC Strains   Myyco.com Golden Teacher Liquid Culture For Sale   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Mushroom-Hut Substrate Mix   North Spore Bulk Substrate   MagicBag.co Certified Organic All-In-One Grow Bags


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Coco Coir Dr_Gonzo 1,803 16 11/15/02 04:42 PM
by TRIPPYCHIK
* fruiting case? Lapius 1,468 4 10/15/02 05:32 AM
by zeta
* Colonization vs. Fruiting Bod's Unmodified Monotub multifractal 5,721 6 05/04/21 04:27 AM
by Goatrider
* Sterilising VS Pasteurising Coir Based Substrates Inoculationn 2,097 9 05/07/21 01:00 PM
by PrimalSoup
* First time monotub -> how's this lookin? Deewizz 4,684 11 05/06/21 10:43 PM
by Ashtray161
* Fruiting in all in one grow bag questions Nemo98 15,994 12 04/06/22 06:02 PM
by Ashtray161
* Noob to casing/fruiting, need some help Superbowl Bob 1,705 7 08/30/03 10:26 AM
by Starter
* Alternatives to verm - coco and polyfill farmer_maggot 4,266 14 08/26/01 04:26 PM
by patzee

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Shroomism, george castanza, RogerRabbit, veggie, mushboy, fahtster, LogicaL Chaos, 13shrooms, Stipe-n Cap, Pastywhyte, bodhisatta, Tormato, Land Trout, A.k.a
8,516 topic views. 45 members, 169 guests and 120 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.026 seconds spending 0.009 seconds on 12 queries.