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ID Request, Virginia
    #7646947 - 11/17/07 08:01 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)



Habitat: Mulch pile, more wood content than manure. at the border of a woodland area.

Gills: White

Stem: White, Solid with hollow tube, length from 3 to 5 inches

Cap: White with brown speckle (looks like a toasted marshmellow)
(bruised purple/grey)

Location: Northern Virginia, USA

the gills look very brown in the photo but they're actually more white.

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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: siphilon]
    #7647023 - 11/17/07 09:01 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It would help to have a spore print.
It could be some type of Pluteus, which would have pinkish to reddish spores.

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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: rainlover]
    #7647076 - 11/17/07 09:34 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

im doing a print but have not observed anything yet.

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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: siphilon]
    #7647370 - 11/17/07 11:43 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

how did you remove the mushroom from the soil? Are you sure you didn't leave any remnants behind, check for some sort of veil also in the stem. slightly brush the cap removing the dirt and take more pics and notes. it looks like a Pluteaceae, maybe Pluteus. the spore print should help you.


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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: Polecat]
    #7647468 - 11/17/07 12:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I sort of used my fingers around the base of the stem to support it while pulling upward. Like how you would pull a leaf/stem off a stawberry but w/o twisting :smile:


here are some additional photos:


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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: siphilon]
    #7647551 - 11/17/07 01:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I can't see well, but it seems to be some partial veil in the stem..the fibrils in the cap might also be some universial veil. clean the base and confirm the absence of volva or broken stipe and confirm the gills color. was there any living tree nearby? you really need to know spores color also


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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: siphilon]
    #7647555 - 11/17/07 01:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

that look like some sort of amanita or lepiotaceos fungi not edible that i know and probably toxic.


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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: siphilon]
    #7648023 - 11/17/07 04:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

A good thing to do would be to cut the mushroom in half vertically so you (and hopefully we) can see the inside.

Happy mushrooming!


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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: ToxicMan]
    #7650358 - 11/18/07 09:28 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

thanks for all the feedback. Here's a vertical cut shot. You can sort of see it has a tube running up the stem (sorry i don't know the technical term). And my camera phone is 5mp but still difficult to get good macro shots.


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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: siphilon]
    #7650574 - 11/18/07 11:16 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

still can't understand if there's presence of universal and/or partial veil in the stipe. you reaally need a spore print.

the term you're looking for is "fistulose"


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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: Polecat]
    #7651162 - 11/18/07 02:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i collected another one today, which appears to have not fully developed.



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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: siphilon]
    #7651172 - 11/18/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Do the scales on the cap rub off, or are they more permanently attached?

I am pretty sure this is a Lepiota species. The red staining is probably significant.

It isn't anything you want to eat - Looks too much like some deadly Amanita and Lepiota species.

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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: siphilon]
    #7651201 - 11/18/07 02:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It looks like it could be a Lepiota of some sort.
I wouldn't rule out Amanita at this point, unless you dug down around the stem to make sure there wasn't a volva.
Have you done a spore print yet? If not, what are you waiting for? It is really helpful in speciating your find.

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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: rainlover]
    #7653792 - 11/19/07 08:03 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

The spores were white in color. I couldn't even actually see the spores until I rubbed my finger across the print area.

Oh and the scales appear to be affixed to the cap very well, they do not rub off.

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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: siphilon]
    #7654054 - 11/19/07 09:55 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Pluteus was possible if the spores were pink, assuming the absence of universal veil it's probably a Lepiota like Alan Rockefeller said.

there's some unidentified Lepiota species called by Peele's lepiota, I'm not very knowledgeable about this subject but seems to fit some details in the pics and descriptons..maybe Rockerfeller or cactu can add something


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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: Polecat]
    #7654114 - 11/19/07 10:17 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

peele´s lepiota is a mushrooms found by steven. pele . and is supost to grow on pastures or grass , and bruise green in stem , the reaction is some how fast, and disapear in age, well is a doubfull especie since we never hear more about it , also the sustances in this mushrooms are supost to have similarities with lsa or other lisergic acid amines, and supost that the substance are inestable or degrade easyly.
this mushrooms you does not resemble that especie for my point of view, i will go more with the idea of chlrophyllum molobdites be a candidate but we already know is cause lot of stomag trouble, so it most be a lepiota in grass that bruise green(blue color) WITH WHITE SPORES OF COURSE,
are many lepiota like you found in the forest, but your is interesting , may be a not so commond specie or a new one, but i have not study lepiotaceous in your area, but after all i will say is a lepiota ...would not recomend to eat it since some lepiotas are toxic.


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cuando una rafaga del pensamiento nos pasa  al lado se puede sentir  que valio  la pena  haber vivido, y cuando ese pensamiento se  convierte en sueño no paramos de soñar hasta realizarlo

Edited by cactu (11/19/07 10:20 AM)

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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: cactu]
    #7673876 - 11/24/07 08:39 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Well thanks a lot for all the information & help. I have a new ID request..






Habitat: Woodland area/deciduous woods, found in a moss bed in an area covered with many Oak trees.

Gills: The gills are a real light brown / sand color.

Stem: white near the top and very deep brown near the base. about 1 to 3 inches long. thickness of an ink pen give or take.

Cap: Brown in the middle to a light brown and then on some back to a deep brown towards the edges.

Spore print color: White

Bruising: No color change was observed.

Location: Northern Virginia (EAST COAST USA)

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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: siphilon]
    #7673918 - 11/24/07 09:00 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Honey Mushrooms, Armillaria sp..

suggestion- start a new thread for each new mushroom in the future.


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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: CureCat]
    #7673931 - 11/24/07 09:14 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

oh ok, my apologies. I thought i read that its okay to post multiple ID requests in a single thread but I guess that's when the IDs are placed in the initial posting.?

oh and thakns for the ID....just learning...obviously ;-)
they look really cute and yummy when I initially picked them but
they're all shriveled up now.

Edited by siphilon (11/24/07 09:19 AM)

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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: siphilon]
    #7674241 - 11/24/07 11:36 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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oh ok, my apologies. I thought i read that its okay to post multiple ID requests in a single thread but I guess that's when the IDs are placed in the initial posting.?



Yes, you got it.  But don't get me wrong, it is not against the rules, however, based on how people read these threads, you have a much better chance of people seeing your new ID request if you make a separate thread.  :smile:


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