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 TripityDooDaDay
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 Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: notapillow]
#7467257 - 09/29/07 12:46 PM (11 months, 1 day ago) |
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"let go", "flow with it", "know that it's just a drug and temporary" etc...
I've had times when I wished it really was that simple. It usually is but not always. If you have never had a time when those suggestions proved utterly useless then tripping still has much to show you.
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 Ell Ess Bree
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lol @ me being inexperienced with psychedelics
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
#7467616 - 09/29/07 03:36 PM (11 months, 1 day ago) |
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letting go while tripping
can be the biggest ongoing application of mind that you ever considered possible.
the good thing is that psychedelic drugs actually assist you by engaging sustain on what ever you start,
so if you start relaxing/letting go/or breathing through a painful moment, then the psychedelic will throw in 2 shots for each one you throw in.
it's like having a benevolent psychic investor, or like unlocking a bursary that you always wanted.
on psychedelic, everything you begin may become doubled up by the affected mental apparatus, which wants to resonate longer with each signal.
but try and remember any of that???
unless you are looking for it, when you go tripping,
unless you are interested in the general extension effects,
you may be unable to access cues to this knowledge when you need it.
for that reason, I think it is good to start some meditation practice.
which is good to have under your belt for later, and which leaves a wake of interest in mental processes for later.
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The upside of your bad trip is that you experienced one. I am looking forward to my first bad trip. I will under so circumstances force myself into one, and i am taking all means necisary to avoid one. But I think you would take away a whole lot more from one bad trip, than a good one.
Whenever you are uncomfortable, and miserable, is when you seem to learn. You learn to cope with the misery. You learn just how valuable your life is. You learn how beautiful the world is, and how you take it for granted. So much good can come from a bad trip. I view a bad trip as mental rebirth in a way. (as long as you dont cause yourself any mental or physical harm that is)
So i have respect for you having gone through that. I bet you learned a lot of things about yourself and the world that i dont know.
That's exactly what happened to me. I was thrown into a situation that I was miserably uncomfortable in and things were getting bad and then in an instant, everything changed. I became myself again, and it was the greatest thing to ever happen to me, too bad I killed it by getting drunk later on that night.
That's all fine and dandy. Only your misunderstanding/misrepresenting the meaning of the term "bad trip".
Overcoming internal conflicts/struggles/tribulations that come up during a trip are indeed some of the most meaningful events in life. They are big steps in getting a little bit closer to self-discovery. I don't associate problem-solving and happy endings with bad trips... These are in fact simple attributes that ALL "good" trips should include: leaving you with a little bit better understanding of yourself.
A truly BAD trip is exactly what this individual described. He got sick, then got sicker, and it left him with an initial resolve of not wanting to use psychedelics anymore. A bad trip is one of the scariest and most intense struggles you can go through in life - mainly because at the time, in our minds, they are perceived realities. So when you say you look forward to your first bad trip, it clearly shows that you don't realize the weight of what an ACTUAL bad trip holds. Its not like watching a horror film - its not a completely visual experience. MOST of what makes a bad trip a bad trip, is the uncomfortable and unnerving FEELINGS and EMOTIONS that characterize it.
Consider it. 
I was smart enough to not take enough to have a truly bad trip. It was only on 2.5 grams and the bad trip was just from the real situation I was in, not from something made up in my mind from taking too much. There are different levels of "bad trips", any unenjoyable one is a bad trip IMO.
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TripityDooDaDay said:
"let go", "flow with it", "know that it's just a drug and temporary" etc...
I've had times when I wished it really was that simple. It usually is but not always. If you have never had a time when those suggestions proved utterly useless then tripping still has much to show you.
I know what you mean. Last trip when it got heavy I tried telling myself the old Descartes thing "I think therefore I am" (therefore I can't be dead). Didn't work! lol
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a_guy_named_ai
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: roquet]
#7468270 - 09/29/07 08:17 PM (11 months, 1 day ago) |
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I hear you talking about your trip, saying you remembered you were God.In reading all of these posts, I get the impression that people think since mushrooms can be used for spiritual purposes, then everything you see or hear is correct. If you were God then, then why arn't you God now. You do not have the attributes of God that qualify you as creator of the universe.
Not once did anyone question whether this personal revelation he experienced was true.
I have done some stupid drugs in the past and had similar personal revelations, but upon becoming sober, that logic or experience did not hold true in the real world. It was a drug induced presupposition, ie. chemical brainwashing. Since you took the drug willingly, it is much more likely that you would become brainwashed and accept it later on.
Just because you may reach insights with this substance, does not mean everything you see or hear is true or accurate. The experience you describe is deja vu under a large amounts of mushrooms. These chemicals can influence your mind so strongly, that your hallucination
becomes reality in your mind. Thus you came to the conclusion that this life is an escape from that darkness you felt. I advise you to take some deep time to logically contemplate what you felt and saw and try to see if that logically holds true.
My opinion is that your brain felt poisoned and you had a nervous reaction where your body was trying to rid itself of the substance and could not. When your mind has too much alcohol, it does the same thing, thus dry heaving.
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cloudtripper
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7468520 - 09/29/07 09:35 PM (11 months, 23 hours ago) |
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Yeah your right and that it is what makes the whole trip even more confusing. Do I accept it as real, as a delusion, as all mind etc ? There is a big difference.
I've thought alot about that feeling of being God, although now I cannot hope to recreate it. It was certainly one of the most 'familiar' feelings I have ever had .. yet I have never had it before that I remember.
It isn't an idea that I had pre conveived before the trip either. Infact in the weeks leading up to the trip I'd read several books on Buddhism. Most forms of Buddhism don't aggree that we are a God as such.
We are all God then in life we forget who we are and that is why we create Ego's but still all have the same basic attributes.
How do you know what attributes God would have though ? Especially if you had forgetten that you where God. If you base it on the OT God, God has all the attirbutes of man.
Yet in my trip there was a conflict with the fact that the world I created suffered and then I suffered as a result. Then I didn't want to be God and wanted to hide again. Very confusing.
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Edited by cloudtripper (09/29/07 09:46 PM)
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cloudtripper
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
#7468615 - 09/29/07 10:04 PM (11 months, 22 hours ago) |
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I should also point out (to myself) that there where other huge synchronicities, some of which I touched on, that support the idea that something True was happening.
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a_guy_named_ai
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
#7468797 - 09/29/07 11:34 PM (11 months, 21 hours ago) |
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How do you know what attributes God would have though ? Especially if you had forgetten that you where God. If you base it on the OT God, God has all the attirbutes of man.
well I think that irregardless of the .o.t. God, when we talk about an an monotheistic God he has to have certain attributes, attributes we mortals don't have, such as: all powerful, the source of all being, all knowing, perfect, all-wise, perfect love, eternal, etc.
You definitely don't have all those.
What do you mean by synchronicities?
I'm not saying nothing in the mushroom trip was valid, but some things definitely not in my opinion. But drugs can play a powerful trick on the mind. Other things can too. Like music. You know how you listen to the song and you like it alot. And you start listening to the song, and you think it's like It was written just for you, but it really wasn't.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7468856 - 09/30/07 12:01 AM (11 months, 20 hours ago) |
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-What do you think he meant by sychronicities? Dont you know what that word means?
-If you think he is talking about some schizophrenic synchronicity within a song or some shit, then I think its likely that you know nothing about why synchronicity was important to him at the time, or how that works........
-Everything within a trip is valid.
-Please stop talking about monotheism. There are reasons people write stories about gods that are virtuous in so many ways.
The most important part of all religions at heart, has nothing to do with monotheism.
-Irregardless is sort of a real word, that is, unless you understand the the meaning of the word "regardless".
-Lsd was not ever "meant" to treat mentally retarded people.
I dont know where you "heard that".
-you said, "um I just dont think some of the things you experienced were valid".<-------(In a nasally pretentious voice).
-go fug yourself, du-b-ss.
I read too many shitty posts by you in too little time.
I just had to say something.
sorry...............
Thanks for the info.
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I'd like to cut your head off so I could weigh it, what do ya say?
Five pounds, six, pounds, seven pounds
I'd like to go to your house and gather all your razors and pick all the
little prickly hairs so I can weigh them, what do ya say?
I'd like to gather all your friends and squish them all into a small
swimming pool so I can weigh them, what do ya say?
Please
Edited by yageman (09/30/07 12:08 AM)
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cloudtripper
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7468962 - 09/30/07 01:12 AM (11 months, 19 hours ago) |
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well I think that irregardless of the .o.t. God, when we talk about an an monotheistic God he has to have certain attributes, attributes we mortals don't have, such as: all powerful, the source of all being, all knowing, perfect, all-wise, perfect love, eternal, etc.
You definitely don't have all those.
No, I don't, but why would I if I had forgotten who I was. That is the whole point of falling into forgetting.
I don't see why the creator has to be all-knowing, all powerful.
Perhaps he was just a child when he created the world, perhaps he don't know anything at all and that is why he created it as a big ? mark.
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What do you mean by synchronicities?
I mean an event that co-incides with your current situation and gives the situation a meaning or relates to the situation in such as way as to be beyond co-incidence, especially when it happens many times in a row.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
#7469004 - 09/30/07 01:44 AM (11 months, 18 hours ago) |
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Synchronicity can turn your head into a knot of pure mathematical beauty. You may then ponder about how these things can possibly happen, that is, if you are all into math and chaos theory,(or are just pretty damn bright).
When you ponder about it, it just keeps fucking with you and offering answers. Who organizes that shit?(you may ask yourself).
Its very real, and a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Especially for people who honestly dont see it even for a first time, ever.
It can dominate you, and even show you some pretty strange things.
Once you find them you will wonder if you want that info anymore.
That blueprint.
It only gets "bigger" over time.
There are secrets, but you can be damn sure no body who understands these places will talk about it without being elusive.
Thats because nobody here is going to write a 50 page essay about how this "synchronicity" can reveal some very strange things.
It would be like writing a paper about how tripping your balls off can very literally bend time(in its own special sort of way).
Writing a paper about why I can have an hour long dream in 5 minutes.
Its too complex to talk about on a message board like this because you would have to talk about how it is normal and a reflection of normal cognitive functions first.
You have to be the judge and decide what more there might be to it, and how much of some persons short text you want to read.
Memory is a hologram. Every small part contains the whole or most of it anyways.
This is a fact.
It is clearly evident in brain damage patients for example.
Lets say we can see the structure of cognition.......
Can we break rules.
All I know is, YES. For damn sure, and it is not some invalid hallucination.
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I'd like to cut your head off so I could weigh it, what do ya say?
Five pounds, six, pounds, seven pounds
I'd like to go to your house and gather all your razors and pick all the
little prickly hairs so I can weigh them, what do ya say?
I'd like to gather all your friends and squish them all into a small
swimming pool so I can weigh them, what do ya say?
Please
Edited by yageman (09/30/07 01:49 AM)
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: yageman]
#7469175 - 09/30/07 05:59 AM (11 months, 14 hours ago) |
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You seem to be speaking of a Christian God Jonathan, organized religion is crowd control in its most prolific form, if ya didn't already know.
Everything you know is God.
God is not some almighty ruler up in heaven, it's everything you've ever seen and everyone you've ever met. Everything you've yet to see, and all the peple of the world. God is the dirt beneath your feet, and the sky above your head.
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So take off your shoes, child, and take off your hat.
Try on your wings and find out where it's at.
But acid was like a river steadily wearing down a rock. And bit by bit, more and more of me was worn away in the endless flow of the eternal river, taken to the eternal ocean. And slowly, I was washed away, until there was nothing left. Adam's house was gone. The world was gone. I was gone. There was only an Eternal Ocean of Energy.
And it was shining.
-Help on the way
Edited by opensaysme (09/30/07 06:02 AM)
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roquet
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: opensaysme]
#7469196 - 09/30/07 06:21 AM (11 months, 14 hours ago) |
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God is the dirt beneath your feet, and the sky above your head.
that's called pantheism, from the ancient Greek for "God is All". If you hold that view, you're a pantheist.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: yageman]
#7469289 - 09/30/07 07:28 AM (11 months, 13 hours ago) |
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Exactly the kind of stuff message boards like these (The psychedelic experience) should be conversing about. I know it is possible to have fruitful discussions of the utmost complexity develop on message boards. I think most people here are willing to write and think to become more aware, at least in a general sense. I love heavy questions, and your posts imply/reveal very "heavy" questions. The questions within your replys/answers are the real gem, for me, much of the time.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Apollyphelion]
#7469492 - 09/30/07 08:39 AM (11 months, 11 hours ago) |
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to see god or be god is normal
to explain it or use it to overpower anything is not normal.
religious terms usually mess it all up
and trying to map it into the big religions is usually weird.
the little aging (transient) things that we are
are part of everything which we can perceive,
this is close to that yoke of immensity which we can tug at and be tugged by.
i like to hunt for it, to glimpse at it, and try and wrap up bits of it in words to bring it back for us to munch on, as we gather.
synchronicities help while hunting, like focussing on a scent.
not more than that.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: redgreenvines]
#7469536 - 09/30/07 08:52 AM (11 months, 11 hours ago) |
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redgreenvines said:
to explain it or use it to overpower anything is not normal.
That is normal to me; perhaps not substantial. 
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: yageman]
#7469834 - 09/30/07 10:22 AM (11 months, 10 hours ago) |
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-What do you think he meant by sychronicities? Dont you know what that word means?
-If you think he is talking about some schizophrenic synchronicity within a song or some shit, then I think its likely that you know nothing about why synchronicity was important to him at the time, or how that works........
-Everything within a trip is valid.
-Please stop talking about monotheism. There are reasons people write stories about gods that are virtuous in so many ways.
The most important part of all religions at heart, has nothing to do with monotheism.
-Irregardless is sort of a real word, that is, unless you understand the the meaning of the word "regardless".
-Lsd was not ever "meant" to treat mentally retarded people.
I dont know where you "heard that".
-you said, "um I just dont think some of the things you experienced were valid".<-------(In a nasally pretentious voice).
-go fug yourself, du-b-ss.
I read too many shitty posts by you in too little time.
I just had to say something.
sorry...............
Thanks for the info.
I've been lurking for a while but I thought I'd go ahead and make my first post one I really cared to make.
Yageman, you percieve Jonathan as being snoody about his posts because that's how you interpreted his words. To me, though, it seemed pretty straightforward 'I'm taking the logical approach, maybe you should consider it'.
I honestly wish there was a little bit more of that on this board. Certainly, there's nothing wrong with considering the idea that we're all actually God, or that we actually controlled the clouds, etc. But just as well, there's nothing wrong with looking at the scientific side of things. Psychedelics DO effect our brains in adverse ways.
"-Everything within a trip is valid."
How can you be so sure? You are validly experiencing emotions, insights, and visions; but that these things hold true from a logical standpoint can't be proven-unless one starts to, say communicate with the machine elves, or do god-like things, while sober.
Also, you're being very, very insulting without necessity in your post. Stop that; take a chill pill and debate with a level head
Edited by FutureBlues (09/30/07 10:25 AM)
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: yageman]
#7470469 - 09/30/07 01:25 PM (11 months, 7 hours ago) |
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-What do you think he meant by sychronicities? Dont you know what that word means?
Yes I do, and there are many examples of synchronicities. Do you know the meaning of the word tact?
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-If you think he is talking about some schizophrenic synchronicity within a song or some lalala, then I think its likely that you know nothing about why synchronicity was important to him at the time, or how that works........
Actually music as I mentioned is a very good example of how your mind can play tricks on you.
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-Everything within a trip is valid.
nonsense.
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-Please stop talking about monotheism. There are reasons people write stories about gods that are virtuous in so many ways.
The most important part of all religions at heart, has nothing to do with monotheism.
First of all, I'll talk about whatever I want. Second ,he's the one who mentioned remembering he was God. So I think it' was pretty relevant. The most important part of religion in my opinion is monotheism, and that my opinion. And your opinion is just that, so don't try to ram it down my throat.
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-Lsd was not ever "meant" to treat mentally retarded people.
I dont know where you "heard that".
What does that have to do with this thread?
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-you said, "um I just dont think some of the things you experienced were valid".<-------(In a nasally pretentious voice).
-go fug yourself, du-b-ss.
Actually i never said it that way at all. You're putting words in my mouth.
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I read too many *** posts by you in too little time.
I just had to say something.
sorry...............
"Too many" That's certainly an opinion also, and very subjective.
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Thanks for the info.
your welcome.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7470544 - 09/30/07 01:47 PM (11 months, 6 hours ago) |
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I'm not trying to be argumentative or turn this into a theological debate.But if you really think about it, you'll understand that even if there were multiple Gods, there has to be one single God that is the source of all being. He has to have those attributes I mentioned. This is something that has been argued over and over again, and I didn't mean to turn it into a big debate here.
But the bottom line is this, If you were God then you must be God now, because if you created everything, then everything would be upheld by your power. But since it's obvious you are not the source of all being, and you are not all powerful, then you're not God.
I'm not saying this to attack you, I'm just really honestly trying to help you get over this, it's obvious you're pretty messed up over his, and It's not good for other people to just leave you alone in these things for the sake of subjective experience. Some things are subjective yeah, but the objectiveness we have to determine truth is found in this world, not the mushroom world.
It's a drug!
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