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 cloudtripper
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 Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses ....
#7455151 - 09/26/07 10:22 AM (11 months, 3 days ago) |
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I've been doing 5gram trips for a while, once an 8gram. I never really thought I would have a bad trip, was never scared of it.
Well I am now scared and I would warn everyone to be careful with such a dose it can go very bad, even for an experienced user.
I won't go into the entire 5gram orange juice trip right now,only to say that it went from heaven to hell, from the best experience of my life to the worst.
At the time I thought that if I lived I would not do mushrooms ever again, right now I think I might one day, but at a recreational dose of 2.5 grams.
I never wish to go through that hell again. Never have I felt so bad.
Vomiting the sufferings of creation is not fun, kneeling in front of your neighbor's house with your face in the dirt begging God for mercy with a head full of darkness isn't fun.
It's going to take a long time to come to terms with that trip, it has left an imprint, I have gone over it my head every day since.
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 usefulidiot13
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
#7455175 - 09/26/07 10:29 AM (11 months, 3 days ago) |
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dude you will bounce back..
ive been from heaven to hell as well...and im back and loving the psychedelic experience..
you'll be ok...its mind shattering..but you'll be ok 
ever try LSD? a couple solid LSD trips really healed my wounds from that hell experience...maybe worth a shot? 
just be careful...use that experience
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
#7455184 - 09/26/07 10:32 AM (11 months, 3 days ago) |
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sorry to hear that man, but beleive me it may take time but you will get over and come to terms with it.
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MrKite1
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Littleman]
#7455202 - 09/26/07 10:37 AM (11 months, 3 days ago) |
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You will come to grips with the experience and be fine, just give it some time.
A long break from tripping may be good too. It was almost a year before I tried mushrooms again after I had a really bad trip.
But hey, you should be pleased, there are bad trips which end much worse than yours.
At least you kept your clothes on. 
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thedudenj
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: MrKite1]
#7455215 - 09/26/07 10:39 AM (11 months, 3 days ago) |
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have some ayahuasca or something of that sort then you will know hell and throw 5g of mushrooms in it too
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Ell Ess Bree
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Littleman]
#7455221 - 09/26/07 10:40 AM (11 months, 3 days ago) |
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Mayyyyyyyyyyybe you should just grow up and get over it?
The title of this topic should be "be careful with 5g+ doses if you can't handle them" or "be careful with 5g+ doses if you're afraid of things that are IN YOUR OWN GOD DAMNED HEAD" or "be careful with 5g+ doses if you happen to have a mangina".
I think you're overdoing it. I doubt it was as bad as you say, and if it is, YOU have some problems that YOU need to work out. Nothing you thought or experienced came from outside of your own head.
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cloudtripper
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
#7455295 - 09/26/07 11:01 AM (11 months, 3 days ago) |
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Thanks guys appreciate the kind words. lol, yeah I did keep my clothes on. As I said I have a lot to work through from that trip, maybe a lifetimes worth .. but then that's why I do it.
I just never thought after 20 years of psychedelic use that would happen to me.
And when I say I never felt that bad, yeah I mean it, I didn't know it was possible to feel that bad.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
#7455378 - 09/26/07 11:27 AM (11 months, 3 days ago) |
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Quote:
Ell Ess Bree said:
Mayyyyyyyyyyybe you should just grow up and get over it?
The title of this topic should be "be careful with 5g+ doses if you can't handle them" or "be careful with 5g+ doses if you're afraid of things that are IN YOUR OWN GOD DAMNED HEAD" or "be careful with 5g+ doses if you happen to have a mangina".
I think you're overdoing it. I doubt it was as bad as you say, and if it is, YOU have some problems that YOU need to work out. Nothing you thought or experienced came from outside of your own head.
If you've ever had a bad trip you know that no matter how many times you tell yourself it's just in your head, it doesn't just turn off.
cloudtripper's point, as I understand it, is that you can never be completely mentally prepared for a dose like that, regardless of experience.
I just read two condescending posts of yours in a row. Get off your soapbox.
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A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day. -- `Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.' -- Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.
~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"
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todaymylove
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
#7455492 - 09/26/07 11:57 AM (11 months, 3 days ago) |
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Ell Ess Bree said:
Mayyyyyyyyyyybe you should just grow up and get over it?
The title of this topic should be "be careful with 5g+ doses if you can't handle them" or "be careful with 5g+ doses if you're afraid of things that are IN YOUR OWN GOD DAMNED HEAD" or "be careful with 5g+ doses if you happen to have a mangina".
I think you're overdoing it. I doubt it was as bad as you say, and if it is, YOU have some problems that YOU need to work out. Nothing you thought or experienced came from outside of your own head.
what a retarted comment..
not as bad as he says it is? who do you think you are, asshole.
Edited by todaymylove (09/26/07 12:07 PM)
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Ell Ess Bree
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: todaymylove]
#7456388 - 09/26/07 04:27 PM (11 months, 3 days ago) |
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I think I'm a person like all the rest of you, well capable of typing my opinion on a message board like everyone else who manages to do so. Sorry that it happens to be one you disagree with?
Edit: Adding:
And what's wrong with a little skepticism? Was it really that bad? Or did he just think it was that bad? Maybe he'll read that I said that and think to himself, "well yea, maybe it really wasn't that bad" and have more confidence when he goes in next time. A lot of people exaggerate, a lot of people overdo it, and a lot of people need, or want really badly rather, to sell it to themselves, or sell it to people around them. I'm only being honest.
Edited by Ell Ess Bree (09/26/07 04:37 PM)
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TTT
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
#7456771 - 09/26/07 05:58 PM (11 months, 3 days ago) |
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Who are you to tell someone that something they experienced wasnt that bad. Did you experience it? Would you ever be able to experience something in the same way as them? Probably not.
Dont tell someone else how they should see and feel things.
If this one bad trip really messed him up, who are you to tell him hes exaggerating and being a pussy?
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: TTT]
#7456868 - 09/26/07 06:19 PM (11 months, 3 days ago) |
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Ya Ell Ess Bree, that was some really dumb shit you just said.
You obviously have no idea what psychedelic drugs can put some people through. Im not just talking about men who have manginas either.
"Mayyyyyyyyyyybe you should just grow up and get over it?"
.............jesus christ man.
I'm only being honest.....lol
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Drewwyann
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
#7456926 - 09/26/07 06:33 PM (11 months, 3 days ago) |
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The upside of your bad trip is that you experienced one. I am looking forward to my first bad trip. I will under so circumstances force myself into one, and i am taking all means necisary to avoid one. But I think you would take away a whole lot more from one bad trip, than a good one.
Whenever you are uncomfortable, and miserable, is when you seem to learn. You learn to cope with the misery. You learn just how valuable your life is. You learn how beautiful the world is, and how you take it for granted. So much good can come from a bad trip. I view a bad trip as mental rebirth in a way. (as long as you dont cause yourself any mental or physical harm that is)
So i have respect for you having gone through that. I bet you learned a lot of things about yourself and the world that i dont know.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
#7457044 - 09/26/07 06:55 PM (11 months, 3 days ago) |
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It wasn't just that it was 5 grams, but also because you used OJ (vitamin C). I had the same problem when I started using Tang. It masked the taste great, but had 400% vitamin C. The trip would always start off great (and come on FAST, 5-10mins) but always seemed to keep getting stronger. It quickly became unpleasant, and personally, I know most people take high doses for the insights, but I get most of my insights from very light doses.
Subtle trips give me the most insight; Trips that I can experience while at work, with family or doing other routine activities instead of planning out a specific chunk of the week to trip hardcore. LSD doesn't seem to do this. The trip doesn't get confusing and out of control on high doses like it does on shrooms, but YMMV.
Anyway, just start off slow. Take 1.5 grams with peanut butter, wait about an hour and add half a gram every 30 mins till you get where you want to be. Peace.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
#7457413 - 09/26/07 08:17 PM (11 months, 3 days ago) |
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cloudtripper said:
I've been doing 5gram trips for a while, once an 8gram. I never really thought I would have a bad trip, was never scared of it.
Well I am now scared and I would warn everyone to be careful with such a dose it can go very bad, even for an experienced user.
I won't go into the entire 5gram orange juice trip right now,only to say that it went from heaven to hell, from the best experience of my life to the worst.
At the time I thought that if I lived I would not do mushrooms ever again, right now I think I might one day, but at a recreational dose of 2.5 grams.
I never wish to go through that hell again. Never have I felt so bad.
Vomiting the sufferings of creation is not fun, kneeling in front of your neighbor's house with your face in the dirt begging God for mercy with a head full of darkness isn't fun.
It's going to take a long time to come to terms with that trip, it has left an imprint, I have gone over it my head every day since.
did you learn anything?
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: Syle]
#7457441 - 09/26/07 08:25 PM (11 months, 3 days ago) |
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I totally agree with the OP. One should be very careful about how much to eat. And you can't just "get over it" like some people are saying. It stays with you, for the rest of your days. Once you see too much on shrooms, you never forget it. But you can learn from it and make the best from what you learn. Shrooms can be insane and the experience can be blissful, and it can be shear terror. But either way, there is always something extremely important to learn from either experience.
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
#7457580 - 09/26/07 08:55 PM (11 months, 3 days ago) |
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Usefulidiots idea of possibly using some lsd is good advice.. I used acid to smooth over the tracks left by one of my darker mushroom trips, not to erase it, but to help me integrate it and move on. And what can i say.. 
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I disagree that 5+ gram doses cause symptoms that are "all in your head". At that high a dose, some concrete physical issues can crop up, like vomiting, headache, and even seizures in some people. That's a pretty high dose, and I've had some horrid physical effects off less. I hate it when people just attribute your physical symptoms to "set and setting" or "anxiety" or "a bad trip". I'm here to tell you that mushrooms can have some toxic side effects in large enough doses in those sensitive to them. A lot of it may be anxiety, but when someone says they had a headache or felt like they were dying, etc. don't say it's "all in your head". It's not.
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cloudtripper
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I normally use lemon juice, this time I used orange juice as the lemon juice has been making me gag the last few times. These where horse poo mushrooms though, so I think potency might have been a factor.
The trip went bad with the set and setting, it had been warm in the sun, I always trip in the Sun, but the Sun went behind the trees, it was getting late, a cold wind started blowing and that happen to co incide with some pretty full on stuff going on in side of my head. I normally look after set and setting but this time they just slipped out of the comfort zone, which was the whole point of the bad trip ... that there exists a place outside of the comfort zone.
You see, I found out that I was God and I made the world. Not that I thought that I was God, but that I remembered I was. It's because we forget who we are that we all become different. Life is about forgetting.
It was just so clear, I remembered myself, it was so obvious, it was such a familiar feeling. I don't know who watches the show Doctor Who here, but there was an episode where he hide himself in this watch and forgot who he was. Then he finally remembered when he opened the watch. It was just like that, just I had opened the watch.
Other things where happening like I could control the forms of the clouds and dissolve them with my mind. That happened once when I was on DMT .. I even got photo's of that one .. because it was real .... (hence my username). At one point 3 birds from 3 trees all crossed about 1 inch above my head at the some time. When I closed my eyes it was just brightness everywhere within, in every crack. It was very fullon and very magical. I felt like I had been intwisted , like on was on the outside now, whereas I was normally on the inside.
Then the sun started to go down, and a cold wind blew, and I realized that we always seek the Sun, warmth, happiness, we try to escape from everything else, like the cold and dark. Like cheese with holes all through it, the cheese is the good bits, the holes are empty. We only want the cheese. I could see through the ages of the world and how there was this coldness in it how it was full of holes.
At this point it was getting mentally taxing to say the least and I actually wanted to forget everything again, I couldn't deal with the reality I what I was going through. I remember thinking that when it is all over I will be able to tell myself that it was a delusion. It was like a was trying to hide and then I realized that was the same thing as I did in life, as I hide from myself through forgetting.
That was starting to cause some serious conflict, the idea of trying to hide from myself by forgetting. I also realized that there could be other Gods, higher than me.
Then I had this voice in my head, that said, "It's time, you knew it was coming" and I knew I was going to feel the sufferings of creation , that I couldn't hide in the Sun always.
Next thing I felt sick, I mean sicker than ever, but not in the stomach, but through everypart of me, in my mind (it's hard to explain). I thought I was going to die, then I vomiting, like I never have before, from deep inside (this is at the 3 hour mark in the trip). At the same time my phone started to ring. It was my girl friend who was making sure I was ok, but I couldn't answer. I lost my vision, and my mind now went to blank darkness. At this point I was seriously scared that I wouldn't be coming back this time, that it might not be possible to get back to the inside again.
I wanted an ego to hide in.
I got my phone out but couldn't work out what to do with it. I had the worst feeling in me that I have ever had. It kept trying to express itself through vomit, but I would open my mouth and nothing would come out anymore. It was about a 30 minute walk home over some big hills. I started walking but after about 30 seconds I was back down again, I kepted wanting to vomit out this feeling that was in my head and would open my mouth but nothing would come out.
Anyway the story goes on, but in the end I stumbled home, stopping many times on the way, at one point in front of my neighbors house kneeling down, my head on the ground, begging for mercy from God to make it stop. It was the worst I have ever felt, infact after I thought that maybe life is an escape from that feeling. I promised I would do anything to avoid the feeling again.
Even after I got home I had to try to not think of it as the feeling would come back again.
At home my girl friend had this show on Tv (myth busters) and everything they said seemed to be about my trip. They are doing this thing where the guy is trying to see if he can hide from hound dogs and guard dogs but he keeps getting found. In the end he says .. there is no escape. I was so cold it took all night to warm up.
I know it is easy to exaggerate a trip, but I am not, not at all. If anything I am understating it through my lack of word skills and lack of detail.
Did I learn anything ? I think it threw up as many questions as answers. I've been reading alot more about Buddhism since and I think I might start taking that more seriously.
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Edited by cloudtripper (09/26/07 10:38 PM)
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roquet
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Re: Be Careful with 5gram+ Doses .... [Re: cloudtripper]
#7458763 - 09/27/07 03:55 AM (11 months, 3 days ago) |
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cloudtripper said:I just never thought after 20 years of psychedelic use that would happen to me.
And when I say I never felt that bad, yeah I mean it, I didn't know it was possible to feel that bad.
That's amazing that you never had a bad trip in 20 years, if they've included big doses. In my teens when most of my friends had taken acid, it seemed like everyone had had a few bad ones.
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