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Icelander
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Mother Teresa
#7327090 - 08/23/07 07:29 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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NPR reported today that her memoirs are being released in book form. The big revelation is that she claims to have been depressed for years because she could not feel any real presence of God in her life. Not a lick.
How about them apples?
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Mother Teresa [Re: Icelander]
#7327306 - 08/23/07 08:11 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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I like apples....
>^;;^<
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Re: Mother Teresa [Re: Icelander]
#7327957 - 08/23/07 10:32 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sounds like she could've used some LSD.
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Re: Mother Teresa *DELETED* [Re: Silversoul]
#7328458 - 08/24/07 01:16 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Mother Teresa [Re: Chubba]
#7328687 - 08/24/07 04:46 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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> Do you think if religion didn't exist she wouldn't of do all these deeds?
Nope, I think if religion didn't exist, the world wouldn't be in a position to need all of her deeds.
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Re: Mother Teresa [Re: Chubba]
#7329835 - 08/24/07 01:30 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Chubba said: God or not, she was a great person.
Do you think if religion didn't exist she wouldn't of do all these deeds?
I don't think she was so great. For instance, she watched the suffering of thousands of starving children and yet capitulated to the Pope in supporting a ban on birth control. That's just sick and wrong IMO.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Mother Teresa [Re: Seuss]
#7329839 - 08/24/07 01:31 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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You could be right.
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Re: Mother Teresa [Re: Seuss]
#7330017 - 08/24/07 02:29 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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While I believe religion is responsible for tons of hurt in this world, for keeping people from achieving their full potential, etc... that statement can't be true because: if religion is a ploy, then it is a human ploy. If religion and its effects come from humans and not a god, then those are the kinds of things that humans do, and would do with or without religion. With or without religion there will be wars and greed and abuse and starving, because those things originate from people and not religion. And if they did come from religion, then they still came from people because religion itself then came from people. In short, to blame religion is to blame people, & with or without religion these same horrors will exist. Religion itself is an effect while the people themselves (who exist regardless of religion) are the cause.
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Re: Mother Teresa [Re: Seuss]
#7330120 - 08/24/07 03:04 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > Do you think if religion didn't exist she wouldn't of do all these deeds?
Nope, I think if religion didn't exist, the world wouldn't be in a position to need all of her deeds.
So a world without religion would be a world without illness?
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Re: Mother Teresa [Re: Veritas]
#7330152 - 08/24/07 03:13 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Maybe! What if people didn't take the Afterlife or the whole promise of a New Earth so seriously?? What if everyone dedicated themselves to uplifting humanity NOW instead of waiting around for the Good Carpenter. Real miracles could happen!
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Re: Mother Teresa [Re: Lion]
#7330216 - 08/24/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, that sounds like it might result in a world without mental illness, but what about the physical illnesses which Mother Teresa's patients were dying from? Would eliminating religion result in the absence of physical illness, deformities, fatal accidents, disease, etc...?
I mean, I'm not a fan of religion, but it seems a bit absurd to blame it for such things.
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Re: Mother Teresa [Re: Veritas]
#7330273 - 08/24/07 03:40 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, yeah, but think about all the energy and money invested in religion. It's a global vacuum for human and natural resources. If people were paying tithes to NIH instead of the Church and money was being spent to increase quality of life instead of building more mosques and temples, how could there not be major advances? Much of the problem with the status quo these days is that such a huge swath of people is shutting out direct experience of the present - experience which, in my opinion, would lead to a sense of compassion for others and an understanding of our common nature - and waiting for some future salvation. 'We don't have to deal with these diseases, they obviously are part of God's plan, and Jesus will make it all alright, mmkay?'
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Mother Teresa [Re: Disco Cat]
#7333086 - 08/25/07 02:10 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Disco Cat said: While I believe religion is responsible for tons of hurt in this world, for keeping people from achieving their full potential, etc... that statement can't be true because: if religion is a ploy, then it is a human ploy. If religion and its effects come from humans and not a god, then those are the kinds of things that humans do, and would do with or without religion. With or without religion there will be wars and greed and abuse and starving, because those things originate from people and not religion. And if they did come from religion, then they still came from people because religion itself then came from people. In short, to blame religion is to blame people, & with or without religion these same horrors will exist. Religion itself is an effect while the people themselves (who exist regardless of religion) are the cause.
Very true. Humans use religion as a cover and an excuse for their unskillful and unhealthy behaviors.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Mother Teresa [Re: Chubba]
#7338171 - 08/26/07 10:31 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Chubba said: God or not, she was a great person.
Do you think if religion didn't exist she wouldn't of do all these deeds?
But, I am pretty sure alot of her work was funded by mainly the Catholic church. So she probably would have still been the type to nurture and care for the poor, but wouldn't have the backing to do it on such a large scale. Of course when you consider the finances of the Catholic church it wasn't on such a grand scale after all.
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Re: Mother Teresa [Re: Icelander]
#7338280 - 08/26/07 10:57 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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The world is topsy-turvy in so many ways...
Those that are revered as "Holy" are actually quite "Evil" if there is such a thing. Mahatma Ghandi was a bigot that despised blacks, and Mother T. was a sadist. (See P+T's Bullshit episode 305 "Holier than Thou" FMI)
The person called "The Wickedest Man in the World" - A. Crowley - was actually one of the Holiest, IMO.
When I was a kid, I was told that Led Zeppelin was "The Devil's Music" but I now know their lyrics are far more "Holy" than say, Amy Grant's.
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Re: Mother Teresa [Re: Icelander]
#7338307 - 08/26/07 11:06 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said: NPR reported today that her memoirs are being released in book form. The big revelation is that she claims to have been depressed for years because she could not feel any real presence of God in her life. Not a lick.
How about them apples?
not surprising considering she worked for that guy in that place in rome.
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Re: Mother Teresa [Re: Middleman]
#7341409 - 08/27/07 06:09 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Middleman said: The world is topsy-turvy in so many ways...
Those that are revered as "Holy" are actually quite "Evil" if there is such a thing. Mahatma Ghandi was a bigot that despised blacks, and Mother T. was a sadist. (See P+T's Bullshit episode 305 "Holier than Thou" FMI)
The person called "The Wickedest Man in the World" - A. Crowley - was actually one of the Holiest, IMO.
When I was a kid, I was told that Led Zeppelin was "The Devil's Music" but I now know their lyrics are far more "Holy" than say, Amy Grant's.
Right you are.
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Re: Mother Teresa [Re: Clean]
#7341421 - 08/27/07 06:12 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Clean said:
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Icelander said: NPR reported today that her memoirs are being released in book form. The big revelation is that she claims to have been depressed for years because she could not feel any real presence of God in her life. Not a lick.
How about them apples?
not surprising considering she worked for that guy in that place in rome.
It's amazing that so many catholics buy into that shit. I guess it's the fact that they endorse the drinking of wine.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Mother Teresa [Re: Middleman]
#7345672 - 08/28/07 06:11 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mahatma Ghandi was a bigot that despised blacks
Do you have a source for this?
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Mother Teresa [Re: Lion]
#7345694 - 08/28/07 06:18 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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A few of his books refer to Africans as "dirty apes" and such.
Penn and Teller give the exact reference in Bullshit Episode 305 "Holier Than Thou".
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