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OfflineJohn Smith
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Adult psychiatric drug OK'd for kids
    #7321365 - 08/22/07 01:28 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

WASHINGTON - The Food and Drug Administration on Wednesday approved a widely used adult psychiatric drug for the treatment of schizophrenia and bipolar disorder in children and adolescents.


The action permits use of Risperdal for schizophrenia in youths aged 13 to 17 and for bipolar disorder for those aged 10 to 17, FDA said.

It was approved last fall for treatment of irritability in autism.

Risperdal, manufactured by Janssen, L.P. of Titusville, N.J., is the No. 3 anti-psychotic drug with $2.3 billion in sales in 2005, according to the pharmaceutical data company IMS Health.

Risperdal was approved for use in adults in 1993.

Until now, FDA said, there has been no approved drug for the treatment of schizophrenia in youths and only lithium is approved for the treatment of bipolar disorder in adolescents.

The dose approved for youths is slightly lower than the adult dose, FDA said.

Drowsiness, fatigue, increase in appetite, anxiety, nausea, dizziness, dry mouth, tremor, and rash were among the most common side effects reported, the agency said.

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this is wrong in so many ways that I wont even comment on it.


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Edited by John Smith (08/22/07 01:29 PM)


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Re: Adult psychiatric drug OK'd for kids [Re: John Smith]
    #7321412 - 08/22/07 01:45 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

What i'd like to know...is if western culture is unique in its citizens having such a high rate of 'mental disorders' (not counting real problems that are based on physical abnormalities), or are other countries just not diagnosing them?  Did the amount of people with these problems increase in modern times, or has it been steady? 

I dont know much about bi-polar disorder, or how 'real' it is (as opposed to BS like attention disorders), but it just seems ridiculous how many humans around me have mental problems that they feel cannot be solved in any way besides a life-long regiment of pill-popping.  Given how broad the definitions for mental problems are getting, I could probably diagnose everyone I know with one or more.

Is this just another nasty side-effect of man's loss of balance with himself and nature?  :confused:


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Re: Adult psychiatric drug OK'd for kids [Re: svasanvedana]
    #7321581 - 08/22/07 02:35 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Restless leg syndrome FTW!


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Re: Adult psychiatric drug OK'd for kids [Re: svasanvedana]
    #7321584 - 08/22/07 02:36 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Source?


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Re: Adult psychiatric drug OK'd for kids [Re: daytripper05]
    #7321693 - 08/22/07 03:04 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

daytripper05 said:
Restless leg syndrome FTW!




rofl, I thought the exact same thing when I saw the first commercial for that. How the fuck can that be a disorder???


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Re: Adult psychiatric drug OK'd for kids [Re: peaceandlove]
    #7321715 - 08/22/07 03:12 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

peaceandlove said:
Quote:

daytripper05 said:
Restless leg syndrome FTW!




rofl, I thought the exact same thing when I saw the first commercial for that. How the fuck can that be a disorder???




Have you ever done hallucinogens or a even a large dose of anti-cholergenics? Have you felt that energy that feels like it's building up in your body during the come up. It makes you feel really tense and your muscles almost hurt. It feels like you need to kick and tense your muscles to get that energy out. I don't know about you, but it drives me insane.

Some people have this feeling ALL THE TIME in their legs. Not only would it make the daytime suck, but it makes it nearly impossible to go to sleep. That is what the real condition is. The commericials I've seen make it seem like it's for people who just tap their leg sometimes for no reason which is bullshit.


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Re: Adult psychiatric drug OK'd for kids [Re: daytripper05]
    #7321724 - 08/22/07 03:15 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

daytripper05 said:
Restless leg syndrome FTW!




doctors prescribe marijuana in Cali for RLS haha
looks like when I go to Cali next year I'll have to mysteriously develop this disease. haha


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Re: Adult psychiatric drug OK'd for kids [Re: peaceandlove]
    #7321740 - 08/22/07 03:20 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

There are plenty of drugs given to both children and adults. Antibiotics, tylenol, cough suppresants etc.


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Re: Adult psychiatric drug OK'd for kids [Re: badchad]
    #7322054 - 08/22/07 04:56 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

then why was i given risperdol when i was 15, and told by a psych ward if i didnt i would be locked up for 180 days?

can a file a lawsuit against that institution?


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Re: Adult psychiatric drug OK'd for kids [Re: moon_glue]
    #7322073 - 08/22/07 05:01 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

can someone send me a link to that article?


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Re: Adult psychiatric drug OK'd for kids [Re: moon_glue]
    #7322103 - 08/22/07 05:10 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

While I don't know the specifics, it is probably for a couple reasons:

Drugs can be used "off-label", that is, once their safety has been established the practice of prescribing them is left up to the discretion of the physician.

While I am not a lawyer, many medical procedures on children need parental consent, which would have covered the physician's ass. Along these same lines, there are law's in place about what can and can't be done if an individual poses a danger to themselved or others. Lastly, I believe you would need to prove prescribing the drug caused you some type of harm.

In New York State, a person can be forced to take their antpsychotic medication. This law was passed after a psychotice individual off his meds pushed a young lady in front of a subway and killed her.


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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OfflineJohn Smith
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Re: Adult psychiatric drug OK'd for kids [Re: TurricaN]
    #7324500 - 08/23/07 06:15 AM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

TurricaN said:
Source?




forgot source,so I'just post a new one...http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2007/08/23/risperdal_use_okd_in_treating_children/

Quote:

Risperdal use OK'd in treating children
Pediatric study of antipsychotic drug considered rarity
By Diedtra Henderson, Globe Staff
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August 23, 2007

WASHINGTON -- The Food and Drug Administration yesterday approved the antipsychotic drug Risperdal to treat children with schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.

The FDA allowed Risperdal as a treatment for adults with schizophrenia in 1993, but until now psychiatrists did not have an approved drug to treat schizophrenia in youths.

More than 2 million Americans have schizophrenia, a condition characterized by the inability to differentiate between real and unreal experiences, to think logically, or to behave normally in social situations. One in 100 Americans will be diagnosed with the disease, but the bulk of diagnoses occur between ages 15 and 25, said Jeffrey Lieberman, chairman of psychiatry at Columbia University.

Once the FDA approves a drug for adults, manufacturers seldom retest it in children. Physicians, however, frequently treat children with drugs approved for adults -- a practice called off-label prescribing -- without knowing the proper dosing or whether the therapies even work in children. Drug industry critics say companies should conduct more pediatric trials, a push reflected in legislation pending before Congress.

The FDA asked Risperdal's maker, Janssen LP, to study it in children. The Titusville, N.J., manufacturer complied within five years, a relatively speedy turnaround. Janssen, a subsidiary of Johnson & Johnson, conducted clinical trials involving nearly 600 children. Based on those results, the FDA approved the drug for use in children ages 13 to 17 with schizophrenia and agreed to its short-term use to treat manic or mixed episodes of bipolar I disorder in children ages 10 to 17.

Because newer antipsychotic drugs, such as Risperdal, carry serious -- and sometimes fatal -- side effects, the FDA considers the pediatric studies on its use significant, as does the American Psychiatric Association, whose 38,000 members diagnose, treat, and conduct research into mental disorders.

Because Risperdal is also in a class of drugs associated with weight gain that can lead to diabetes, Janssen, at the FDA's request, is conducting a longer-term trial to look at weight gain and any impact that earlier use of the drug may have on children's growth and development.

Still, the FDA's move, which was made without first airing scientific data publicly through an advisory committee hearing, is certain to stoke an already fierce debate about how frequently such drugs should be prescribed.

Antipsychotics, among the nation's top-selling pharmaceuticals last year, already generate $16 billion annually for drug makers. Last year, Risperdal was the second best-selling antipsychotic in the United States, with $2.6 billion in sales, according to IMS Health, a health information company.

Some argue that adults have been overprescribed such drugs, driven, in part, by aggressive advertising campaigns. They should not be prescribed to growing children, said Vera Hassner Sharav, founder of the Alliance for Human Research Protection, pointing to the drugs' link to such side effects as uncontrolled growth of breast tissue in boys that must be corrected by surgery.

FDA approval "helps to provide doctors cover," Sharav said. "These are dangerous, toxic drugs. Every piece of evidence points in that direction."

But Dr. Carolyn Robinowitz, president of the American Psychiatric Association, said medications are "an important part of a comprehensive treatment program."

Columbia's Lieberman agreed, with caveats. A study that he led, funded by the National Institutes of Health, found that older, cheaper drugs worked as well in treating adults with chronic schizophrenia as newer, second-generation drugs like Risperdal. The older therapies also cost one-10th the price.

FDA approval of Risperdal use among children is "great to know," Lieberman said. "Now, we can use it with a higher degree of confidence. The question is, with the cost of the newer medicines, do we think the older medicines would do as well? Are the newer medications, indeed, better?"

A second, NIH-funded trial that aims to answer that question is complete, but its results have not yet been published, he said.

Diedtra Henderson can be reached at dhenderson@globe.com.

© Copyright 2007 Globe Newspaper Company.





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Re: Adult psychiatric drug OK'd for kids [Re: daytripper05]
    #7324586 - 08/23/07 08:22 AM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Own the rights to one of the few treatments for an ambiguous condition and you're sitting on a goldmine.


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