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 HELP! - sober mind not taking tripping mind seriously! 
#7316802 - 08/21/07 04:57 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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ok. ever have those thoughts you think about while tripping, and you sort of dont take them seriously. you just think oh yeah i remember that, then it ends.
my sober mind is not taking important tripping throughts seriously. whats going on. i think about something i learnt and just think 'oh yeah, i remember that' then it ends. i need to remember these things and remember what i learnt so it can be realized and believed what i thought.
what do i do? i seem to belittle every thought i remember?
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 Apollyphelion
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Re: HELP! - sober mind not taking tripping mind seriously! [Re: retrospect]
#7316919 - 08/21/07 06:58 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Tripping thoughts are equal to sober thoughts.
Tripping thoughts are no more special, than say If you had brilliant idea the moment you stubbed your toe or something.
Tripping still fucking rocks the beesknees though.
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Psilocin Dreams
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Re: HELP! - sober mind not taking tripping mind seriously! [Re: Apollyphelion]
#7317315 - 08/21/07 09:14 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Maybe next time you trip, you can sit down with a some paper and a pencil and write stuff down, being sure to try to back up what you say with whatever thought processes led you to think this. Then later when you are sober, you can take a critical look at it and see it for exactly what it is.
good luck.
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Re: HELP! - sober mind not taking tripping mind seriously! [Re: Psilocin Dreams]
#7317335 - 08/21/07 09:23 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Psychedelics shows the path but you must follow it.
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Re: HELP! - sober mind not taking tripping mind seriously! [Re: Kras]
#7320471 - 08/22/07 01:26 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah. last night i had these thoughts and realised something i always realise when tripping, i just dont take it seriously when im sober.
gah i need to write on paper. but then i write forever!
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Re: HELP! - sober mind not taking tripping mind seriously! [Re: retrospect]
#7320617 - 08/22/07 03:43 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Think about it as a daemon that tries to stop you from entering the path leading towards enlightenment. When you are under the light of magic mushrooms this parasite runs away and you can clearly think about your situation. When the light is gone the daemon comes back because it knows that it has stronger will then you. Take mushrooms with an intent to meet this entity and fight it. Then ask mushroom how to preserve this shining light after the trip.
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Edited by Kras (08/22/07 03:43 AM)
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ReoSpeedwagon153
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Re: HELP! - sober mind not taking tripping mind seriously! [Re: retrospect]
#7320754 - 08/22/07 06:05 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kras has an interesting outlook on this.
I think there is a membrane we have to break to get to the place tripping takes us, and an even deeper membrane to fully break through, or let go into the experience.
These membranes of perception prevent you from completely understanding the psychedelic world when you are on the other side of them, they only leave you with the oppurtunity to remember a few things that happened, as though they were events.
Language can't go through the second membrane, that's why all of human history has taken place on this side of it. That is why religion exists as one big faithful guess, rather than a set of techniques for reaching and understanding the spiritual world.
A pen and paper will do you no good for bringing ideas back; the ideas you write down will make as little sense as the ones you remember thinking. It was the change in perception that you remember, not the words.
Words used to describe the depths of a psychedelic experience (or any deep psychological or spiritual experience) will always be overly vague and difficult to understand, and smack of every hokey mystic you have learned not to trust.
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Re: HELP! - sober mind not taking tripping mind seriously! [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
#7324211 - 08/22/07 11:55 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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i am going to get myself a sound recorder, and record all my thoughts. i am going to start the tape with an emphasis on how important these thoughts are to me. when i am sober i plan to take action and do what the tape says. i really want to start changing my life for the better and this may be my only way. every single time i trip i remember all these things and get angry at myself for not taking the advice. its like i dont think about them enough when i am sober and i get annoyed at myself for doing that.
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Re: HELP! - sober mind not taking tripping mind seriously! [Re: retrospect]
#7324244 - 08/23/07 12:04 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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When I first shroomed, I had just dropped out after a semester at community college. I told myself and my family that I wasn't "ready" for college. The truth was I was lazy as fuck; I didn't want to deal with something as complicated as that when I could sit at home and get stoned. My first trip was mere days after school ended, and while it was a fantastic and fun trip, my earlier rationalization was crushed. I had huge potential and I was running away from it. Another trip several months later cemented my desire to return to college, simply because of the beauty I found in the world, and my desire to understand and appreciate it better by educating myself. Now I'm in my second year of college, and while my grades still aren't fantastic, they have improved a lot since that first semester and I'm confident I can do even better.
The only issue here is that you must take action on the things that you realize to be true... whether you learned those things from tripping or not, it doesn't matter unless you're willing to put in the time and effort to make it a reality. Mushrooms wipe away your rationalizations, your excuses for avoiding the things you know you need to do. Once the psilocin has run its course and your mind resumes its normal activities, your rationalizations will be right back in place. There's no magic bullet for those except action.
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Edited by Tchan909 (08/23/07 12:20 AM)
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Re: HELP! - sober mind not taking tripping mind seriously! [Re: BlindSophist]
#7324505 - 08/23/07 03:26 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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"I had huge potential and I was running away from it"
damn thats one of the things i realized last night!
"Mushrooms wipe away your rationalizations, your excuses for avoiding the things you know you need to do. Once the psilocin has run its course and your mind resumes its normal activities, your rationalizations will be right back in place. There's no magic bullet for those except action. "
thats exactly what happens.
+5 shroomies for such a great post.
i REALLY need to take action.
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Kras
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Re: HELP! - sober mind not taking tripping mind seriously! [Re: retrospect]
#7324546 - 08/23/07 04:42 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Stop talking. Act.
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Shroomeup
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Re: HELP! - sober mind not taking tripping mind seriously! [Re: Kras]
#7324582 - 08/23/07 05:20 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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My problem is when I take high doses of shrooms I tend to put all my worries and thoughts to the back of my head and and just enjoy the euphoria I'm feeling when I actually took them in the first place seeking answers and enlightenment.
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Re: HELP! - sober mind not taking tripping mind seriously! [Re: Shroomeup]
#7327800 - 08/23/07 08:59 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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IME that means your subconscious has decided the problem is better left to itself (the sober subconscious mind), or the solution is already underway.
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