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 Spring fruiting Psilocybe cyanescens cystidia?
#7298534 - 08/15/07 07:00 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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The cystidia of this wavy cap look very much like those of ovoideocystidiata.
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Re: Spring fruiting Psilocybe cyanescens cystidia? [Re: falcon]
#7298857 - 08/15/07 08:34 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Did it bruise?
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Re: Spring fruiting Psilocybe cyanescens cystidia? [Re: budmanman]
#7298981 - 08/15/07 09:01 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, sorry, it is a wavy cap, Psilocybe cyanescens that had fruited in the fall only but when it started fruiting in the spring it had all the macroscopic characteristics of Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata. Characteristics, somewhat mottled cap when young, tendency to form a pronounced umbo and to form an acute nipple, fimbriate(wavy) gills when young and tendency to a lower veil than you would see on cyanescens.
It retains these characteristics when fruiting in the fall once it fruits like this in the spring.
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Edited by falcon (08/16/07 06:28 AM)
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Re: Spring fruiting Psilocybe cyanescens cystidia? [Re: falcon]
#7299071 - 08/15/07 09:19 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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wow that must of been one cold 42 degree spring, the average fruiting temp of cyans.
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Re: Spring fruiting Psilocybe cyanescens cystidia? [Re: budmanman]
#7299238 - 08/15/07 10:00 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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no, it wasn't that cold when they started fruiting in the spring. It was temps in the 70's during the day and 50's at night.
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Re: Spring fruiting Psilocybe cyanescens cystidia? [Re: falcon]
#7299771 - 08/16/07 12:29 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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ovoideocystidiata.
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Re: Spring fruiting Psilocybe cyanescens cystidia? [Re: jeetered]
#7300136 - 08/16/07 06:29 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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thanks
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Re: Spring fruiting Psilocybe cyanescens cystidia? [Re: falcon]
#7302182 - 08/16/07 07:38 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I always love to see microscopy images
It is the spores that are distinctive in P. oviodeocystidiata, they are rhomboid in face view instead of ellipsoid in P. cyanescens. They are also much smaller.
Did you have this species planted in the area or are you in the range for P. oviodeocystidiata? It does look somewhat macroscopically distinct from the P. oviodeocystidiata I've examined. Do you want a composite work up to confirm? I am thinking it resembles a Japanese picture of P. subaeruginascens that I can't seem to find now. It is a close relative of P. oviodeocystidiata.
Definately save some spores.
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Edited by Workman (08/16/07 07:42 PM)
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Re: Spring fruiting Psilocybe cyanescens cystidia? [Re: Workman]
#7302566 - 08/16/07 09:24 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Did you have this species planted in the area or are you in the range for P. ovoideocystidiata?
This is P. cyanescens Oregon strain from Sporeworks. I am in the range of P. ovoideocystidiata. This strain of P cyanescens now prefers to fruit in the spring, but even in the fall, once it has fruited in the spring, it looks like P. ovoideocystidiata.
It does look somewhat macroscopically distinct from the P. ovoideocystidiata I've examined.
This is a better picture of what both ovoideocystidiata and spring fruiting cyanescens look like when fruiting on woodchips:
Do you want a composite work up to confirm?
Maybe in late fall, I don't have anything to do a work up on now.
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Re: Spring fruiting Psilocybe cyanescens cystidia? [Re: falcon]
#7302953 - 08/16/07 10:47 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Hmmm, well its definately not Psilocybe cyanescens. Is it posssible that a wild strain prefered your outdoor bed and outcompeted the planted P. cyanescens?
That picture is good (nice cluster) but it seems to be showing only one species of Psilocybe (ignoring the polypore on the right). It can't be both.
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Re: Spring fruiting Psilocybe cyanescens cystidia? [Re: Workman]
#7303135 - 08/16/07 11:30 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Hmmm, well its definately not Psilocybe cyanescens. Is it posssible that a wild strain prefered your outdoor bed and outcompeted the planted P. cyanescens?
That is a possibility.
The picture is of mushrooms, they were found, don't know what they are, but they are a good representation of what I'm seeing in both cyanescens and bluefoot.
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Re: Spring fruiting Psilocybe cyanescens cystidia? [Re: falcon]
#7303215 - 08/16/07 11:46 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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From the latest picture I'm going to have to say it is P. ovoideocystidiata which is a very aggressive species and could have easily contaminated your bed. But I could be wrong so save a sample for later analysis if you're curious.
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 Re: Spring fruiting Psilocybe cyanescens cystidia? [Re: falcon]
#7304307 - 08/17/07 09:56 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Spores of wild P. ovoideocystidiata collected in Ohio.
Edited by georgeM (08/17/07 09:59 AM)
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Re: Spring fruiting Psilocybe cyanescens cystidia? [Re: georgeM]
#7305972 - 08/17/07 08:22 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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 Excellent pictures georgeM.
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Re: Spring fruiting Psilocybe cyanescens cystidia? [Re: falcon]
#7306010 - 08/17/07 08:40 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
falcon said:
Excellent pictures georgeM.
Definitely! What are those green spots on the spores? At first I thought they were nuclei, but I noticed some spores have two. There can't be a dikaryotic spore, can there? 
Are they vacuoles?
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Re: Spring fruiting Psilocybe cyanescens cystidia? [Re: shroomydan]
#7306086 - 08/17/07 09:06 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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There can't be a dikaryotic spore, can there?
I'm pretty sure there can be, haven't heard of it happening with psilocybes.
Are they vacuoles?
 Sounds like a good guess.
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Re: Spring fruiting Psilocybe cyanescens cystidia? [Re: falcon]
#7306130 - 08/17/07 09:19 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
falcon said:
This is a better picture of what both ovoideocystidiata and spring fruiting cyanescens look like when fruiting on woodchips:
Does Ps. cyanescens also sometimes produce an annulus?
The partial veil in wild Ps. ovoideocystidiata is highly variable. Ranging from a very thin cortina that leaves a barely perceptible evanescent annular zone, to a substantial membrane that leaves a fairly persistent annulus:
 
Variability in robustness of the annulus is evident in the different strains of P. cubensis, so it's not surprising to find it in the woodlovers, but I don't recall seeing an annulus on Ps. cyanescens.
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Re: Spring fruiting Psilocybe cyanescens cystidia? [Re: shroomydan]
#7306243 - 08/17/07 09:55 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Does Ps. cyanescens also sometimes produce an annulus?
Yes, though I do not recall any as substantial as those found on ovoideocystidiata.
I do not recall any sustantial veils on fall fruiting ovoideocystidiata.
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Re: Spring fruiting Psilocybe cyanescens cystidia? [Re: falcon]
#7307027 - 08/18/07 08:36 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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There is a Spring fruiting Psilocybe here in the Bay Area, CA, which bears macroscopic resemblance to Ps. ovoideocystidiata. Most notably, this unknown species has consistently wavy lamellae, and Ps. ovoideocystidiata is the only other Psilocybe I have seen consistently display this feature.
Falcon, how are the gills on your collection??
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Re: Spring fruiting Psilocybe cyanescens cystidia? [Re: CureCat]
#7307166 - 08/18/07 09:59 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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They are wavy, when young.
Edited by falcon (08/18/07 10:00 AM)
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