Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!
|
 Killer Sausage
Stranger
 
Registered: 06/03/07
Posts: 99
Loc: Canada
Last seen: 3 months, 15 days
|
 Weed has potential for ego-loss? 
#7222520 - 07/25/07 04:45 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Sometime earlier this month, I had gotten an old friend of mine high for the first time. He had been introduced to weed twice before, but both times he did not inhale right, thus he did not experience anythin more than a light buzz. He was smokin some very strong chronic with me, and for a while (like 10 minutes) he said he feelin good, but nothin spectacular yet. Then when he went to the rinse his mouth, he suddenly felt this "relief", as if all the wieght on his body had been removed, and that he felt as if he was now in a foreign world. From then on, he started trippin out even more. He was experiencin music videos in his head, and was also havin a heavy dose of flashbacks (memories that he had not touched in years, etc). This made him feel somewhat anxious, and he asked me if the flashbacks were normal, and I said that flashbacks while under the influence are not uncommon, and that he had nothin to worry about. Then he was seein colors and images in the walls, and he started gettin kinda touchy-feely with objects in the room. He again became kinda uncomfortable, tellin me that whenever he touched somethin, it felt like he wasn't in his own body, nor connected to the physical world, but more like he was floatin in another space/existance. Again, I told him this was normal, and that people may experience sensations or emotions which had never been experienced before. He then asked me if I was experiencin any of what he was, and I said I was, but to a much lesser degree, only because of my tolerance, but I assured him that I experienced everythin he had (and possibly even more) back when I first started blazin. Then, in a nervous voice, he told me that he keeps havin this feelin as if he won't ever go back to normal, and that he's afraid of stayin in this state forever. He explained to me that although he likes the feelins and all, it's not a state he would want to be in forever. Of course, I told him that this will all wear off eventually, and that he will go back completely to normal again. But I was surprised at the extent to which his ego was panickin. I have never experienced that myself, but then again, I introduced him to the psychedelic experience with some very powerful chronic, and he was actually tryin to keep up with me for the majority of the session (in terms of smokin quantity). So basically he ended up smokin about 1/3 of a gram to himself (like 2 fat bowls), and he got more than he was expectin. But that whole panicky thing about him.. that kinda got me wonderin if it is possible to experience ego-loss while on a high dose of THC. What do you people think?
--------------------
CHECKLIST:
*cannabis, psilocybe, fly agaric, salvia, LSD, mescaline, AMT, LSA, 5meo-DMT, DMT.
(* = done it)
Sebastian23 on extractin THC from urine:
"I doubt it, and in any way that could be worth extracting trace chemicals from hella urine samples.
Thats like using recycled human shit to feed humans. It's just a bad idea."
LOL!!!
Edited by Killer Sausage (07/25/07 04:47 PM)
|
RoosterCogburn
Fearless,one-eyed U.S.Marshall
Registered: 08/25/06
Posts: 8,508
Loc: Dirty South, NJ
Last seen: 1 year, 8 months
|
 Re: Weed has potential for ego-loss? [Re: Killer Sausage]
#7222537 - 07/25/07 04:48 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Weed CAN be a powerful tool and it CAN be a simple rec. drug... It's all in dosage and how you choose to use your time under it's spell. 
|
 TEAL_MUST_DIE
hobbes was right
Registered: 06/04/07
Posts: 456
|
Re: Weed has potential for ego-loss? [Re: RoosterCogburn]
#7222606 - 07/25/07 05:02 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
My answer would fairly be: HELL NO!
|
imachavel
Stranger
Registered: 06/06/07
Posts: 8,709
Loc: Florida - not listed
Last seen: 3 days, 22 hours
|
Re: Weed has potential for ego-loss? [Re: TEAL_MUST_DIE]
#7222694 - 07/25/07 05:25 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
I don't know, weed has blown my mind. And gotten blasted like I was tripping. I don't know if has the potential for ego loss though, no matter how hard I tripped on weed I never saw hallucinations or felt like 'a piece of dust in the univere', that's what you mean by ego loss right? Being high as shit on weed, feeling blown away, yeah, but the rest, I don't know, I think your friend had a flashback, maybe. WHo knows, weed is strong if you don't smoke it all the time.
PEACE
--------------------
|
pirates
Stranger
Registered: 06/08/07
Posts: 10
Last seen: 5 years, 5 months
|
Re: Weed has potential for ego-loss? [Re: TEAL_MUST_DIE]
#7222701 - 07/25/07 05:27 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
I don't see why not. THC is a mind-altering drug as much as any other, so everyone will have a different reaction to it. It can be especially powerful if the person is not used to being in altered states, but that sometimes doesn't even matter. Just a few months ago I smoked only a single bowl of decent bud and before long I started having auditory hallucinations (I was making songs up in my mind and literally hearing them play as I made them up) and CEVs. None of my other friends had the same thing happen, and that wasn't the first time I smoked that pot, so I know it wasn't laced with anything.
You said that they smoked two fat bowls of headies... that's quite alot for someone that has no tolerance. On top of that, they have no experience being in the stoned frame of mind. I absolutely believe that someone can have a powerful experience on just cannabis. Maybe not "ego loss", but a trip? Sure.
Edited by pirates (07/25/07 05:28 PM)
|
Inchworm
Narf
Registered: 05/22/07
Posts: 8
Last seen: 4 years, 9 months
|
Re: Weed has potential for ego-loss? [Re: Killer Sausage]
#7222729 - 07/25/07 05:32 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
I've had someone tell me that she saw every one in a completely different planet while she was high. So I guess it might be possible with some really strong shit..
--------------------
To ask why the President of the United States would have a sexual encounter with a young woman is like asking why someone who worked very hard to earn a large sum of money would then spend it.
|
Killer Sausage
Stranger
Registered: 06/03/07
Posts: 99
Loc: Canada
Last seen: 3 months, 15 days
|
Re: Weed has potential for ego-loss? [Re: pirates]
#7222838 - 07/25/07 05:59 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
pirates said:
Just a few months ago I smoked only a single bowl of decent bud and before long I started having auditory hallucinations (I was making songs up in my mind and literally hearing them play as I made them up) and CEVs. None of my other friends had the same thing happen, and that wasn't the first time I smoked that pot, so I know it wasn't laced with anything.
You said that they smoked two fat bowls of headies... that's quite alot for someone that has no tolerance. On top of that, they have no experience being in the stoned frame of mind. I absolutely believe that someone can have a powerful experience on just cannabis. Maybe not "ego loss", but a trip? Sure.
The effects you mentioned are trademarks of THC. Auditory hallucinations, tactile (touch/feelin) hallucinations, and racin thoughts accompanied by a rush of vivid daydreams resemblin hypnagogic imagery are common on high doses of THC / with low tolerance.
And yeah, I'm positive that my friend was definitely on a weed TRIP. But it is still shockin to see just to what extent his ego was panickin. He was afraid of losin connection with the reality he knew for his whole life, and if it wasn't for me bein there, I bet he would've lost it.
--------------------
CHECKLIST:
*cannabis, psilocybe, fly agaric, salvia, LSD, mescaline, AMT, LSA, 5meo-DMT, DMT.
(* = done it)
Sebastian23 on extractin THC from urine:
"I doubt it, and in any way that could be worth extracting trace chemicals from hella urine samples.
Thats like using recycled human shit to feed humans. It's just a bad idea."
LOL!!!
Edited by Killer Sausage (07/25/07 06:32 PM)
|
Limerick
a moment ofclarity
Registered: 10/22/06
Posts: 656
Loc: the bark and below it
Last seen: 5 years, 5 months
|
Re: Weed has potential for ego-loss? [Re: Killer Sausage]
#7222847 - 07/25/07 06:01 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
I totally believe it. you smoke some strong shit when you've never really experienced getting high, you'll have one hell of an experience. don't underestimate the powers of the mighty THC.
|
KingDavid
Stranger
Registered: 06/28/06
Posts: 76
Last seen: 5 years, 6 months
|
Re: Weed has potential for ego-loss? [Re: Limerick]
#7223663 - 07/25/07 09:32 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Try meditating on weed.
|
Cepheus
Balance
Registered: 04/19/06
Posts: 7,922
Loc: the space between reality...
Last seen: 4 hours, 29 minutes
|
Re: Weed has potential for ego-loss? [Re: KingDavid]
#7223741 - 07/25/07 09:55 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
I fucking trip balls everytime I smoke.
Like stuff moves, trees warp and shit. I get into thought loops and feel like I'm in an alternate reality..
I haven't done any psychedelics in a good few months now. 
I enjoy getting stoned a lot more now.. I just roll with it
--------------------
"I only ever hope to reach equilibrium, in Nature's matrix, in line with the meridian" ~ Jehst
 "...and I know that I have to keep breathing, as tomorrow the sun will rise, who knows what the tide will bring?"
Free Spore Ring Europe
Send any spare spore prints you might have and help the distribution
Open Source. Freedom. GNU/Linux
Addicting is not valid English (however it is valid American-English).
|
aDoS
freedom lover
Registered: 06/18/05
Posts: 7,590
Loc: land of the free
|
Re: Weed has potential for ego-loss? [Re: Killer Sausage]
#7223899 - 07/25/07 10:41 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
I don't know if it gives me ego loss. But it makes me see things from a different perspective. When I think of myself...or my friends on weed and then I think about the things we do. I can't help but to think I am an ass hole. And so are my friends. So yea I guess weed can make you see things from a different point of view.
--------------------
"If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each day, abolish our solitude as individuals, atone us with our fellows in a glowing exaltation of affection and make life in all its aspects seem not only worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant, and if this heavenly, world-transfiguring drug were of such a kind that we could wake up next morning with a clear head and an undamaged constitution - then, it seems to me, all our problems (and not merely the one small problem of discovering a novel pleasure) would be wholly solved and earth would become paradise." - Aldous Huxley
 GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH
|
sui
I love you.
Registered: 08/20/04
Posts: 18,132
Loc: Cali, Contra Costa Co. 
|
Re: Weed has potential for ego-loss? [Re: Killer Sausage]
#7223901 - 07/25/07 10:41 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
paragraphs are your friend.
--------------------
~TOTAL FREEDOM THROUGH TOTAL CONTROL~
The Ultimate Artistic ParradoxX
  
"There is never a wrong note, bend it." Jimi Hendrix
|
spanky43
Just a thought
Registered: 06/08/07
Posts: 305
Loc: Vermont
Last seen: 1 year, 6 months
|
Re: Weed has potential for ego-loss? [Re: sui]
#7224010 - 07/25/07 11:10 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
A friend and I have witnessed a cat jump off a counter, and heard it land before it actually did. The sound seemed amplified as well. My friend also mentioned something about me being some distorted clown-ish figure and wouldn't look at me.
We're good friends with the dealer and got it from their house. All the weed was indoor/homegrown and wasn't tampered with. It was good stuff.
--------------------
"Love is what we are born with. Fear is what we have learned here. The spiritual journey is the unlearning of fear and the acceptance of love back into our hearts."
|
pong
kretan
Registered: 02/09/06
Posts: 4,311
Loc: west coast
|
Re: Weed has potential for ego-loss? [Re: spanky43]
#7224065 - 07/25/07 11:22 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
lol, i got some haze one time that was pretty good. id have to say that it was very pure sativa because it was very psychedelic.
anyways i rolled a joint of this ill weed and called a friend who loves smoking but doesn't do so often. We smoked about a gram and well we got to his house and walked in.
the lights were off and i was seeing him morph and colors and shapes on the walls. My friend freaked out because i guess he was seeing the same shit. He asked me over and over again if it was laced,
i was like no man, just damn good.
dunno about ego loss though. maybe, but no comparison to shrooms.
|
TripityDooDaDay
Prick
Registered: 09/14/06
Posts: 2,040
|
Re: Weed has potential for ego-loss? [Re: sui]
#7224140 - 07/25/07 11:35 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
I tripped like hell the first few times I smoked weed. OEVs, auditory, all of that and it felt like much more. If I had smoked what you describe that your friend smoked, I would have definitely been in a serious mental state and I do not have any doubt in the possibility of what you described though, I don't know you and can't really say that I believe you either but, that's all beside the point...
Ego loss... No way IMO. Or maybe my interpretation of "ego loss" is skewed. What exactly is "ego loss"? I have previously just assumed that what was meant by ego loss is a state several drugs have brought me to but, one that pot never can. A state following or during a complete dissociative state. A state where at best your previous life was but a memory. A state that seems it must be the real reality though it's different from any reality that you were ever aware of. A state that is the new state that is and forever will be your life even if you return to the memory.
My assumption of complete "ego loss" would eliminate even that "memory" but, what would there be to discuss here in that case?
I've done a lot of tripping for many years. Apparently I just need a definition of what you all call an "ego loss".
|
Killer Sausage
Stranger
Registered: 06/03/07
Posts: 99
Loc: Canada
Last seen: 3 months, 15 days
|
Re: Weed has potential for ego-loss? [Re: sui]
#7224250 - 07/26/07 12:02 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
suimush said:
paragraphs are your friend.
If you aren't goin to respond with anythin relevant to the subject of my thread, then don't respond at all. No one needs your smartass posts, and I doubt you have even have half the writin ability or IQ (147) to even be criticizin my post structure to begin with. So what if I didn't put it in neat lil paragraphs? You're the only one complainin. Now get out of here.
..sorry to the rest of the people on the site if my response seemed a bit brutal, but I don't like people who make smart remarks, especially about somethin so insignificant and well.. pointless. My thread was legible enough to get [insert number here] replies, so I don't think I hurt anyone other than him alone. And if anyone is curious as to why I don't include g's after words like "goin" or "dancin", it's just due to force of habit. I find that I get my instant messages done much faster by skippin a letter or 2, and I'm too lazy to bother changin that here, since it makes no difference in terms of coherence.
TripityDooDaDay: That's some pretty deep stuff to discuss, but I'll give my shot at it. I always thought ego-loss was when you lose your connection with the baseline world, in the sense that existance as you knew it no longer is there. Although I know that weed does not visually alter reality to an such an extreme degree, I think that it could possibly change the "meanin" of existance so much that the world no longer seems to be the world you once knew. Life means somethin else, the universe means somethin else, existance becomes somethin else, thus we have ego-loss.
--------------------
CHECKLIST:
*cannabis, psilocybe, fly agaric, salvia, LSD, mescaline, AMT, LSA, 5meo-DMT, DMT.
(* = done it)
Sebastian23 on extractin THC from urine:
"I doubt it, and in any way that could be worth extracting trace chemicals from hella urine samples.
Thats like using recycled human shit to feed humans. It's just a bad idea."
LOL!!!
Edited by Killer Sausage (07/26/07 12:26 AM)
|
aDoS
freedom lover
Registered: 06/18/05
Posts: 7,590
Loc: land of the free
|
Re: Weed has potential for ego-loss? [Re: Killer Sausage]
#7224278 - 07/26/07 12:08 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Killer Sausage said:
Quote:
suimush said:
paragraphs are your friend.
If you aren't goin to respond with anythin relevant to the subject of my thread, then don't respond at all. No one needs your smartass posts, and I doubt you have even have half the writin ability or IQ (147) to even be criticizin my post structure to begin with. So what if I didn't put it in neat lil paragraphs? You're the only one complainin. Now get out of here.
..sorry to the rest of the people on the site if my response seemed a bit brutal, but I don't like people who make smart remarks, especially about somethin so insignificant and well.. pointless. My thread was legible enough to get [insert number here] replies, so I don't think I hurt anyone other than him alone. And if anyone is curious why I don't include g's after words like "goin" or "dancin", it's just due to force of habit. I find that I type much faster in IMs by skippin a letter or 2, and I'm too lazy to bother changin that here, since it makes no difference in terms of coherence.
yea I agree with you man. These are forums. Not english class. People get hard ons making stupid little comments like that. And they think they are so witty and smart.
--------------------
"If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each day, abolish our solitude as individuals, atone us with our fellows in a glowing exaltation of affection and make life in all its aspects seem not only worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant, and if this heavenly, world-transfiguring drug were of such a kind that we could wake up next morning with a clear head and an undamaged constitution - then, it seems to me, all our problems (and not merely the one small problem of discovering a novel pleasure) would be wholly solved and earth would become paradise." - Aldous Huxley
GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH
|
Help on the Way
Slipknot420
Registered: 08/13/00
Posts: 2,868
Loc: Another World
|
Re: Weed has potential for ego-loss? [Re: Killer Sausage]
#7224311 - 07/26/07 12:15 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Killer Sausage said:
Quote:
suimush said:
paragraphs are your friend.
If you aren't goin to respond with anythin relevant to the subject of my thread, then don't respond at all. No one needs your smartass posts, and I doubt you have even have half the writin ability or IQ (147) to even be criticizin my post structure to begin with. So what if I didn't put it in neat lil paragraphs? You're the only one complainin. Now get out of here.
man chill out, it really is a lot harder to read big long posts without paragraphs...
and are you really bragging about your IQ on a fucking drug message board??????
anyway to answer the original question, although high doses of thc have given me some pretty trippy effects i personally dont believe true egoloss is likely from marijuana
--------------------
 *Divine Moments of Truth*
"Limitless undying love which shines around me like a million suns - it calls me on and on across the universe" ~ John Lennon
"Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right" ~The Grateful Dead
"Religionists, with their guaranteed eventual paradise, of which they know nothing, taking it all on 'faith,' can't be expected to understand or sympathize with those with a yen to storm the Gate of Heaven and see for themselves what all the praying's about!" ~Robert Hunter
|
Killer Sausage
Stranger
Registered: 06/03/07
Posts: 99
Loc: Canada
Last seen: 3 months, 15 days
|
|
Quote:
suimush said:
and are you really bragging about your IQ on a fucking drug message board??????
anyway to answer the original question, although high doses of thc have given me some pretty trippy effects i personally dont believe true egoloss is likely from marijuana
I don't think havin an interest in drugs - especially psychedelics - makes me any less smarter of a person. But if you see a drug message board as no place for posts involvin intelligence, then I guess that makes you no smarter than me for simply postin here. 
P.S. - Thank you for respondin to my thread accordin to the actual subject, I appreciate it, lol.
--------------------
CHECKLIST:
*cannabis, psilocybe, fly agaric, salvia, LSD, mescaline, AMT, LSA, 5meo-DMT, DMT.
(* = done it)
Sebastian23 on extractin THC from urine:
"I doubt it, and in any way that could be worth extracting trace chemicals from hella urine samples.
Thats like using recycled human shit to feed humans. It's just a bad idea."
LOL!!!
Edited by Killer Sausage (07/26/07 12:24 AM)
|
kaniz
That one, overthere.
Registered: 07/23/04
Posts: 4,166
Loc: Ontario
|
Re: Weed has potential for ego-loss? [Re: TEAL_MUST_DIE]
#7225152 - 07/26/07 07:32 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
TEAL_MUST_DIE said:
My answer would fairly be: HELL NO!
And why not? You can reach ego-loss through meditation. There are many ways to reach a state of ego-loss, psychedelic drugs are just one of them, and dont see why Weed would be a "hell no!"
| |
|
|
|
|
Images only 
Threaded
Previous
Index
Next
Edit 
Reply 
