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 Rahie
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 Problems with PH levels? I have a perfect solution for you, 
#7199863 - 07/19/07 11:09 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Collect rain in buckets, then use that. The PH will be perfect and you wont have to bother checking it ever again.
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 Re: Problems with PH levels? I have a perfect solution for you, [Re: Rahie]
#7200796 - 07/20/07 03:03 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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pH levels of rain water would depend on alot of factors...
say you live in an area with alot of heavy industry, which leads to acid rain, and you were growing a species which prefers alkaline soil...
then your perfect solution suddenly becomes alot less then perfect...
of course, in most cases, rain water is better than water taken from the mains supply...
but to say its going to be the perfect pH is a load of crap... perfect for wot? 
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Re: Problems with PH levels? I have a perfect solution for you, [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
#7200804 - 07/20/07 03:05 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Perfect as in you don't have to test it anymore. I didn't say anything about acid levels, that could be an issue.
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Re: Problems with PH levels? I have a perfect solution for you, [Re: Rahie]
#7200810 - 07/20/07 03:06 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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So how is it perfect?
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Re: Problems with PH levels? I have a perfect solution for you, [Re: Rahie]
#7200828 - 07/20/07 03:12 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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how would anyone know if its perfect, or not, unless they tested it...?
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Re: Problems with PH levels? I have a perfect solution for you, [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
#7200880 - 07/20/07 03:23 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
uarewotueat said:
how would anyone know if its perfect, or not, unless they tested it...?
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Re: Problems with PH levels? I have a perfect solution for you, [Re: CptnGarden]
#7200918 - 07/20/07 03:32 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Because it has been tested before. Think about it, the plants outside take it in all the time. Mother nature knows best. If you don't believe me just try it yourself. I am trying to help people out and he tell me to go fuck myself......
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Re: Problems with PH levels? I have a perfect solution for you, [Re: Rahie]
#7200955 - 07/20/07 03:45 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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rain water pH can and will fluctuate...
mother nature is a wonderful thing i agree, she provides many different soil types for many different plants...
but that would depend on geology, nothing to do with the pH of the rain water...
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Re: Problems with PH levels? I have a perfect solution for you, [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
#7201109 - 07/20/07 04:56 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
uarewotueat said:
pH levels of rain water would depend on alot of factors...
say you live in an area with alot of heavy industry, which leads to acid rain, and you were growing a species which prefers alkaline soil...
then your perfect solution suddenly becomes alot less then perfect...
of course, in most cases, rain water is better than water taken from the mains supply...
but to say its going to be the perfect pH is a load of crap... perfect for wot?
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Re: Problems with PH levels? I have a perfect solution for you, [Re: Rahie]
#7201163 - 07/20/07 05:27 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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..... got something to say?
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Re: Problems with PH levels? I have a perfect solution for you, [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
#7201166 - 07/20/07 05:32 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah I found that smiley at the end insulting. It means go fuck yourself. Here I was trying to be helpful and then I get you doing that.
You are also wrong.
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Re: Problems with PH levels? I have a perfect solution for you, [Re: Rahie]
#7201171 - 07/20/07 05:41 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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looks like he is jearking off to me
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Re: Problems with PH levels? I have a perfect solution for you, [Re: royer]
#7201208 - 07/20/07 06:27 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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actually it means stonedjerk but who cares anyway 
like i said before "rain water pH can and will fluctuate... "
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Re: Problems with PH levels? I have a perfect solution for you, [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
#7208822 - 07/22/07 03:19 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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 it means "this is how much i care" and then you make a farting sound with your mouth while doing it.
My tap H2o ph is off the scale alkaline and the only guy I know that makes it work without balancing it used mad amounts of chemical ferts. that acidified the soil, so he just didnt realize he was balancing it.
Most all Ferts. will eventually have an acidic effect on soil ph and soil microbes excrete acid as waste. If your target ph was 6.5 adding 6.5 water wouldnt target the ph, because the soil would eventually acidify from nutrient build-up passed your target level. Soma, only balances the water ph of nutrient solutions when feeding, when he waters he uses alkaline tap water to counter-balance the acidic effects of the nutrients.
Theres 2 ph ranges IMO, the range your plant is alive and optimal range. Im guessing the rain water wouldnt have such a drastic effect on Ph to kill your plants. Everytime Ive tested rain, it showed slightly alkaline, IME, Im not sure why, its always bothered me.
along with lime deposits and any other alkaline additives, I think this plays a balancing act between the acidic effects of nutrients and soil biology to keep your ph in acceptable range for most common house plants in native environments. If the plants where native species Im sure they would do fine with no attention at all.
Point. proper watering ph is directly effected by median ph. IF rain where slightly acidic and the median where totally acidic rain wouldnt help. Although it would appear that way if the median where too alkaline. Most gardeners will store rain water, but it might be because they`re avoiding chlorine and care very little about optimal ph. Optimal ph is for specialty plants like orchids that get real bitchy.
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Re: Problems with PH levels? I have a perfect solution for you, [Re: ralphroks]
#7208868 - 07/22/07 03:34 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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that hand gesture; I made up, so I know what it means. When I first invented it was just awkward and nobody got the meaning. I should have copyrighted it. Theres alot of things that are mine that I`ll never get credit for cuz If you knew it was me who made it up you wouldnt do it. These things have grown beyond me and are now much greater than me; for me to act like I control them.
Who made stuff like that up? who? you`ll never know. because you just look lame when you admit it was you.
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Re: Problems with PH levels? I have a perfect solution for you, [Re: ralphroks]
#7209779 - 07/22/07 01:25 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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then again ralph, uarwotueat didnt say he said
either way, ralph your correct about rain water only being able to correct the feeding pH at that exact time of feeding, given its a decent pH.
also however like you mentioned, and even with organics, and especially bloom nutes, the soil turns acidic during 12/12 if it didnt swing earlier when the plant preflowered.
this mostly happends without dolomite though 
i just tested our rainwater... 8.2
explain that rahie?
our well water that runs down 100ft in the calcium slags runs about 8.7 or 8.9, not much different..........
its a fairly decent tester too...
not all rain water is the same pH.
i used to get pH 4-6 when i tested the runoff in southern california
everyone on big time sites that u probably read that information off of, also mentioned that you should test the rain water first to make sure its ok, and that the main reason why its a possible good source is that its usually around ph 7.
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Re: Problems with PH levels? I have a perfect solution for you, [Re: Rahie]
#7211723 - 07/22/07 11:10 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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So for analysis purposes, I just tested rain water for ions(in a really sweet ion chromatograph). There was a large number of sulfate and nitrate ions (in our rain water). This technically is 'acid rain.' The acidity of rain varies geographically as people have mentioned, also when water hits the ground it changes. My ground is slightly basic, so the soil and rain water balance out
Ion concentration is directly related to pH.
Most people with a fairly decent municipal water source will get a neutral pH.
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Re: Problems with PH levels? I have a perfect solution for you, [Re: Rahie]
#7212851 - 07/23/07 04:41 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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How about you mix a little dolomite lime into the top soil and water it. Using dolomite lime will even your PH out to about 7, which for most plants is just right.
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Re: Problems with PH levels? I have a perfect solution for you, [Re: Rahie]
#7213103 - 07/23/07 09:40 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Rahie you give really shitty advice ,why dont you go away..heres what proper ph can result in(no rain water here,i own a ph meter and can operate it )
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Re: Problems with PH levels? I have a perfect solution for you, [Re: CaptainKirk]
#7213756 - 07/23/07 02:21 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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It has been tested. I can't help that mycogirl lives near a factory. I did mention that acid rain could be an issue.
I have tested it out and I am right.
Big fucking deal CaptainKirk you have three plants. Just because you didn't use rain water doesn't mean shit. I don't fucking care if you listen to my advice, you guys are miserable. Here I am trying to help and I get called names. This place is fucked.
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