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 bradley
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 Legality of lsd psychotherapy
#7159765 - 07/11/07 08:20 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Would lsd psychotherapy be illegal if the 'patient' supplied his own acid? Of course the therapist couldn't get away with publicly advertising that he or she did this, but really they would not be helping break any laws, as long as the patient intended on eating the acid anyway.
(Moderators, please move this if it doesn't go here, I'm not sure where it fits.)
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Re: Legality of lsd psychotherapy [Re: bradley]
#7159773 - 07/11/07 08:23 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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If you had a therapist who you really trusted and had a good relationship with, who you had been seeing for some time, I imagine an LSD session could be quite helpful. "LSD Psychotheraphy" is not illegal...possession of LSD is, as is distribution.
"LSD is Schedule I in the United States. This means it is illegal to manufacture, buy, possess, or distribute (sell, trade or give) without a DEA license."
So, I mean, yes, under the auspices of the law you giving it to your therapist and your therapist possessing it would both be illegal.
But obviously any therapist you trip with is probably going to be someone who you trust and who will uphold the level of confidentiality that should exist between the two of you.
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bradley
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I'm pretty sure that in lsd psychotherapy the therapist does not, or very rarely takes a dose as well ~ just acts as a sober guide for the experience.
This question also applies to mdma therapy. A pschotherapist would probably not have to change the format of their session so much if the patient was on mdma; he would just be more open, and therefore it would probably be more conducive to work on deepr psychological material.
So how secretive would a therapist have to be about doing these? I imagine there is no harm in asking one about it, right?
I don't have a therapist but was thinking it might be beneficial to do this one day.
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Re: Legality of lsd psychotherapy [Re: bradley]
#7159854 - 07/11/07 08:53 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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If you feel comfortable tripping in general, and can be around people without getting anxious/nervous, you could always do it without telling your therapist. In a way that would make the session less "drug-centric" if you will...
I don't think your therapist would have to be any more secretive about this than they would have to be about anything else...and they are supposed to keep what happens in that room confidential. It's all about how much you trust them, IMO...
As for your original question, the setting and situation of your taking the drug are irrelevant insofar as the legality of things go...these substances are illegal. Possessing them is illegal.
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bradley
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As for your original question, the setting and situation of your taking the drug are irrelevant insofar as the legality of things go...these substances are illegal. Possessing them is illegal.
Right, I was asking about the legality of a sober therapist doing work with a tripping patient - if the therapist could get into legal trouble.
I don't know if I would trip without telling a therapist ~ I would much rather them know. Maybe take mdma and request to do some deeper work. But I think mdma is probably better for overcoming painful or uncomfortable psychological phenomena, whereas lsd could probably be used more as a general catalyst for improving on whatever.
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Re: Legality of lsd psychotherapy [Re: bradley]
#7160131 - 07/11/07 10:19 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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possession and so on are illegal yes.. but consumption isn't is it?
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Re: Legality of lsd psychotherapy [Re: bradley]
#7161280 - 07/11/07 02:36 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Back in the 1970's, my mother had me see a psychologist regularly. One time I took some brown window pane (quarter or half hit?) with my friends and when we were walking around the block, my mother drove up and told me about an appointment I forgot about, so I got into the car and had a session with my shrink under the influence of LSD. My friends were laughing hysterically when I got into the car, but I knew I could handle it. I had some stupid friends back then, some of them even killed themselves by accident, too.....
Well back to the shrink. I remember being in the waiting room looking at a chair and making myself believe I could see the seat at the floor level and then changing it to making the seat look like it was off the ground. During my appointment with the shrink, I just tried to play along with it and make conversation about problems I couldn't relate to with my brain poisoned the way it was. I remember that my memory was so bad that I could only remember the last sentence of what my shrink said. He would say some long story about something I couldn't pay attention to and then I'd ask him what he was talking about. Once he put it in one sentence, I faked like I understood it and made up something. The whole experience made me believe that most LSD psychotherapy is a scam. Maybe you can use some psychedelics to get people off of alcohol, heroin and other drugs (Ibogaine seems to work), but regular talk therapy under the influence of LSD is some hallucinated fad by left wing radicals who want to use this as an excuse to use more drugs. Later on, I told my shrink that I was under the influence of LSD that day. He didn't say anything, but just looked kind of confused.
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Edited by Luddite (07/11/07 02:39 PM)
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