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Teotzlcoatl
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Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!)
#7156809 - 07/10/07 03:09 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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got some qustions for you guys if you don't mind-
1)Psilocybe caerulipes is supposed to be native in North Carolina, does anybody hunt, clutivate or have any info on this shroom?
2) Do you have any species to add which are known in these areas??
3) Would it be fair to say all of the following species occur in the Piedmont, foothills and mountains of North Carolina, Piedmont, foothills, and mountains of South Carolina, Southern Virginian Piedmont, Western , and Northern Georgia-
Panaeolina foenisecii= Panaeolus foenisecii Panaeolus cyanescens = Coplandia cyanescens Panaeolus papilionaceus = Panaeolus sphinctrinus = Panaeolus campanulatus (Are these correct synonms?) Panaeolus subbalteatus Psilocybe caerulescens Psilocybe caerulipes Psilocybe coprophila Psilocybe cubensis Psilocybe cyanescens
I really need help from my southern hunters, I'm trying to write a guide and I want reliable modern infromation, please help
Heres my guide so far, Suggestions as to what to add would be appreciated!
A Mushroom Hunter’s Guide to Kak’alakcy- This guide covers- The Piedmont, foothills and mountains of North Carolina, Piedmont, foothills, and mountains of South Carolina, Southern Virginian Piedmont, Western Tennessee, and Northern Georgia
~List of Mushrooms described in this Guide- Amanita muscaria- Panaeolina foenisecii= Panaeolus foenisecii Panaeolus cyanescens = Coplandia cyanescens Panaeolus papilionaceus = Panaeolus sphinctrinus = Panaeolus campanulatus Panaeolus subbalteatus Psilocybe caerulescens Psilocybe caerulipes Psilocybe coprophila Psilocybe cubensis Psilocybe cyanescens
~Common Names- Amanita muscaria- “Mario Mushroom” or Panaeolina foenisecii= Panaeolus foenisecii ~“Foes” or “The Latent Psilocybain” Panaeolus cyanescens = Coplandia cyanescens ~ “Copes” Panaeolus papilionaceus = Panaeolus sphinctrinus = Panaeolus campanulatus ~ “Paps” Panaeolus subbalteatus ~ “Subbs” Psilocybe caerulescens Psilocybe caerulipes Psilocybe coprophila ~ “Dung Lovin’ Psilocybe” Psilocybe cubensis ~ “‘Shroom of the South” or “Cubes” Psilocybe cyanescens
~When To Go Out Hunting- Mushrooms can be found at all times except in the dead of winter. The best time to usually go mushroom hunting is in the morning or the late evening after some rain. High humidity and moisture is key. Some mycelium grows rapidly within two-five days after rain But then some can take up to 6 weeks to start. It really depends on genetics. If it rains to much, the soil will become soggy and won’t produce any ‘shrooms.
~Where To Look- Amanita muscaria- Panaeolina foenisecii= Panaeolus foenisecii- Grassy Areas Panaeolus cyanescens = Coplandia cyanescens- Dung Panaeolus papilionaceus = Panaeolus sphinctrinus = Panaeolus campanulatus- Panaeolus subbalteatus- Dung and well fertilized grassy areas. Psilocybe caerulescens- Psilocybe caerulipes- Psilocybe coprophila- Dung Psilocybe cubensis- Dung Psilocybe cyanescens- Mulch or deadwood.
~A Few Simple Principals- Always be 100% sure of a specimens exact identity before ingesting it. Do not collect any fungi you don't intend to use. Respect and protect other species, including poisonous ones. Do not any collect rare species. As well as being endangered, rare species are often hard to identify. Record accurately the localities and habitat data of any valuable fungi. Do not collect ''buttons'' (mushrooms that have not expanded) or small mushrooms; They are hard to identify, Allowing them to expand will also let them reproduce and also result in a larger 'shroom. Collect only enough mushrooms for personal use; Don’t excessively profit from nature’s gifts, and NEVER reveal the location of your secret ‘shroom patch.
"All mushrooms are edible; but some only once." ~Croatian proverb
~Know What You Don’t Want-
If someone is looking for active ‘shrooms they can knock out the majority of the deadly poisonous mushrooms by following a few simple rules.
One, You should be looking for active ‘shrooms with gills (Agaricales). Not mushrooms with pores (Boletes). The active mushrooms you are looking for should have Black (Panaeolus = Copelandia spp.) or chocolate-brown to purple-brown spores and spore prints (Psilocybes).
Forget the minor species of Gymnopilus, Conocybe, Inocybes and those species which have white, orange, cinnamon, or rust colored gills and spore prints. Forget about those species.
Do not pick any orange, cinnamon or rust colored mushrooms. The three deadly species of Galerina and one species of Concoybe (Conocybe filaris) have orange gills.
And avoid any white gilled mushrooms. That would include all of the deadly Amanita mushrooms such as Amanita Phalloides, Amanita verna, etc. Note- You may harvest wild Amanita muscaria if your extremely careful, make sure it has a bright red or orange cap, do not pick amanitas with lighter colored caps.
Boletes, even bluing ones, should never be eaten. They have sponge like pores on the underside of the cap, instead of gills like those of active mushrooms.
~Know your Poisonous Species- Agaricus xanthodermis Amanita spp. Boletus satanas Chlorophyllum molybdites Conocybe coprophila Conocybe filaris Cortinarius rubellus Galerina marginata=Galerina autumnalis=Galerina venenata Galerina pseudomycenopsis Galerina badipes Hebeloma insigne Hypholoma fasciculare Inocybe sororia Lactarius uvidus Lepiota brunneoincarnata Lepiota helveola Lepiota josserandii Lepiota lutea Russula emetica Stropharia aeruginosa And many, many, more!
Galerinas, and Conocybe filaris, which are extremely poisonous mushrooms, are commonly found in mulched gardens, and have been observed sharing the same habitat as Psilocybe cyanescens and other Psilocybes; They also may resemble some active species like those in the genus Gymnopilus (not covered in this guide) and Psilocybes.
Another example of misidentification involves Chlorophyllum molybdites, a species commonly referred to as "green gills" or "Morgan’s" Lepiota.. Chlorophyllum molybdites is usually mistaken for Psilocybe cubensis in the South.
~How to identify a Mushroom- Note the Cap Note the Gills Note the Stalk (Stipe) Note any Veils Note it’s Habitat Note the Spores~ Make a Spore Print- Remove the stem from the cap. Place the cap on a piece of white paper; Black if the spores are white, like with Amanita spp. Allow it to sit 1-24 hours. When you pick up the cap you’ll have a spore print.
Take very descriptive notes while the mushroom is fresh; dried mushrooms look completely different from fresh ones. Consult guides, the internet, books and pictures until you’re 100% sure before ingesting your specimen.
Amanita muscaria- Note the Cap- Note the Gills or Tubes or Teeth- Note the Stalk (Stipe)- Note the Veils- Note it’s Habitat- Note the Spores- Comments-
Panaeolina foenisecii= Panaeolus foenisecii ~ “The Latent Psilocybain” or “Foes” Note the Cap- Note the Gills or Tubes or Teeth- Note the Stalk (Stipe)- Note the Veils- Note it’s Habitat- Note the Spores- Comments-
Panaeolus cyanescens = Coplandia cyanescens ~ “Copes” Note the Cap- Note the Gills or Tubes or Teeth- Note the Stalk (Stipe)- Note the Veils- Note it’s Habitat- Note the Spores- Comments-
Panaeolus subbalteatus Note the Cap- Note the Gills or Tubes or Teeth- Note the Stalk (Stipe)- Note the Veils- Note it’s Habitat- Note the Spores- Comments-
Psilocybe caerulescens Note the Cap- Note the Gills or Tubes or Teeth- Note the Stalk (Stipe)- Note the Veils- Note it’s Habitat- Note the Spores- Comments-
Psilocybe caerulipes Note the Cap- Note the Gills or Tubes or Teeth- Note the Stalk (Stipe)- Note the Veils- Note it’s Habitat- Note the Spores- Comments-
Psilocybe coprophila Note the Cap- Note the Gills or Tubes or Teeth- Note the Stalk (Stipe)- Note the Veils- Note it’s Habitat- Note the Spores- Comments-
Psilocybe cubensis Note the Cap- Note the Gills or Tubes or Teeth- Note the Stalk (Stipe)- Note the Veils- Note it’s Habitat- Note the Spores- Comments-
Psilocybe cyanescens Note the Cap- Note the Gills or Tubes or Teeth- Note the Stalk (Stipe)- Note the Veils- Note it’s Habitat- Note the Spores- Comments-
There it is!! What do you think?? Note- I don't need info on the cap, stem, or gills of each shroom, but any other info would be great, espeically under the "comments" section for each shroom....
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Teotzlcoatl
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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
#7156824 - 07/10/07 03:15 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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also if anyone knows any poisonous or "look-a-like" species for this area please post those as well
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
#7156931 - 07/10/07 03:45 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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> 1)Psilocybe caerulipes is supposed to be native in North Carolina, does anybody hunt, clutivate or have any info on this shroom?
Maybe, but if so, probably only earlier than this in the year.
> Panaeolina foenisecii= Panaeolus foenisecii
You don't want those.
> Panaeolus cyanescens = Coplandia cyanescens
Maybe, but if so, rarely, and only in dung, more likely near the coast.
Panaeolus papilionaceus = Panaeolus sphinctrinus = Panaeolus campanulatus (Are these correct synonms?)
No, not synonyms.
Panaeolus papilionaceus (= Panaeolus papilionaceus var. papilionaceus) Photo: http://mushroomobserver.org/2895 Panaeolus sphinctrinus Photo: http://mushroomobserver.org/1853 Panaeolus campanulatus sensu auct. brit., (= Panaeolus papilionaceus var. parvisporus) Photo: http://mushroomobserver.org/2553
> Psilocybe caerulescens
No, I really don't think this grows in north carolina, it is a Mexican species.
> Psilocybe caerulipes
See blue foot, search for it in the forum search engine.
> Psilocybe coprophila
Not active.
> Psilocybe cubensis
Rarely, and only in dung, more likely near the coast.
> Psilocybe cyanescens
I really don't think so, it is a west coast species.
> Amanita muscaria-
This is probably not what people are looking for.
> Panaeolus papilionaceus = Panaeolus sphinctrinus = Panaeolus campanulatus
Maybe some of these species are weakly active.
> Panaeolus subbalteatus
A sure bet.
> Amanita muscaria-
Found around pine trees.
You could also mention the active bluing Gymnopilus species.
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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#7157019 - 07/10/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Alan said it all..
I can't say anything that he didn't already post..
All I can say is keep your eye out for the cubes .. They are wonderful here in the carolinas I have yet to find a cope or a gym .. I'm looking hard tho' ....
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Teotzlcoatl
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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: RandomHero]
#7157047 - 07/10/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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ok thanks, any info is helpful....
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Teotzlcoatl
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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
#7157048 - 07/10/07 04:23 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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if hunters from these states could list all the species they've EVER found (not just this season) that would be great...
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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
#7157076 - 07/10/07 04:29 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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thats asking alot.. but I'll get around to it...eventualy..gimme a few
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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: RandomHero]
#7157914 - 07/10/07 08:05 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I learned a little from this. Thanks!
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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Acaterpillar]
#7157986 - 07/10/07 08:18 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dude this is awesome as I line in Virginia, I can't wait till you have finished this.
But as far as the foes and copriphila, I have found both of these before thinking they were active (when I was a noob) so you might want to include them as look-alikes and common misconceptions.
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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Acaterpillar]
#7157994 - 07/10/07 08:20 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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im on NC/VA border in the central piedmont. First year hunting, and so far only found around 3gs dried worth of Pann. Subbs.
Im really interested to these answers as well.
Really prayin for more rain. Got a couple hour shower today, and ill prolly hunt tomorrow. Just sooo dry here atm.
Good luck and wish me luck.
T
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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: reafer99]
#7158028 - 07/10/07 08:28 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
reafer99 said: im on NC/VA border in the central piedmont. First year hunting, and so far only found around 3gs dried worth of Pann. Subbs.
Im really interested to these answers as well.
Really prayin for more rain. Got a couple hour shower today, and ill prolly hunt tomorrow. Just sooo dry here atm.
Good luck and wish me luck.
T
I'm about an hour away from you I think. I also got a heavy shower today, probably the same one you got. Tomorrow looks like a good time to hunt.
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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Jair]
#7159663 - 07/11/07 07:41 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Unfortunately, blue meanies won't be found in this range.
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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: LouiseLouise]
#7160703 - 07/11/07 12:42 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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So far havnt found enough for a good trip. Prolly have .5 grams of dried subbs left. My first trip attempt was on 3gs dried and was very mild. No visual effects, but i definitely had a buzz. Next time gonna try at least 4-5 grams.
Hopefully i can find enough for a decent trip. Im dying to experience a visual buzz. Done everything under the moon, besides psychedelics. Only because i can never find any. Still on the hunt for lsd and more shrooms.
Jair we outta talk sometime, been needing to broaden my horizons. My atv will be fixed in the next couple weeks. Send a PM.
T
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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: reafer99]
#7160731 - 07/11/07 12:48 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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if you're thinking of a visualy powerful teaching plant experience in terms of a buzz, you're in for a world of tasty incredible.
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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: canid]
#7160780 - 07/11/07 01:01 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Woot. Got me all excited now...
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reafer99
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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: reafer99]
#7160792 - 07/11/07 01:07 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, what i am looking for is exactly what u stated. What 3gs of pan subbs gave me was a "buzz".
I know theres more out there, and maybe "visually powerful teaching" is exactly what ive been searching for. Or give me a different outlook. Always been intrigued in psychedelics, they are just always out of grasp.
Sorry for off-topic post. Lunch is over, so back to the heat.
T
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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: reafer99]
#7160898 - 07/11/07 01:37 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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ok so can anybody list species for this area? both active and non-active...
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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: reafer99]
#7160932 - 07/11/07 01:44 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Edited by lineman (10/30/07 11:37 AM)
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Teotzlcoatl
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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: lineman]
#7161369 - 07/11/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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weilii in northern georgia?? Can anybody confirm this?? ARe you positive??
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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
#7161471 - 07/11/07 03:04 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
weilii in northern georgia?? Can anybody confirm this?? ARe you positive??
Never found any, but have heard of people finding shit tons in the gwinette area
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