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 ThePyschonaut52
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 whats psilocin for? 
#7131506 - 07/05/07 06:49 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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hi, this has been bugging me for a while, but whats the purpose of psilocin/psilocybin in mushrooms?
does its production deter predators, is it for regulation of growth, what?
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mmm yeah good question, cos with marijuana the THC is produced to make the plant cool in summer. What is psilocybin for?
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ThePyschonaut52
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im putting my money on the regulation of growth
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ThePyschonaut52 said:
hi, this has been bugging me for a while, but whats the purpose of psilocin/psilocybin in mushrooms?
does its production deter predators, is it for regulation of growth, what?
It helps it reproduce. Very few people would grow it if it didn't contain these alkaloids. It also gets you high.
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ThePyschonaut52
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Re: whats psilocin for? [Re: Nimbot]
#7131530 - 07/05/07 06:59 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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yes, i know it gets you high, but i dont think its for reproduction...
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Nimbot
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yes, i know it gets you high, but i dont think its for reproduction...
Oh, I see. Why would you bother asking then. I do think it's for reproduction. I guess I missed the part where you said, "Don't reply if your answer doesn't agree with what I THINK". Sorry dude. Did you care to elaborate as to WHY you think I'm wrong?
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Re: whats psilocin for? [Re: Nimbot]
#7131602 - 07/05/07 07:34 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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i never said your wrong, i said I DONT THINK its for reproduction, so calm down there spazzy magee
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Nimbot
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i never said your wrong, i said I DONT THINK its for reproduction, so calm down there spazzy magee
Explain yourself. WHY don't you think it's for reproduction? Are you able to express your thoughts in any other way other than name calling?
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The taste probably deters "some predators", though not all. It could be a bi-product of the fruiting process. I don't really know. But to say that it helps reproduction in the sense that it encourages outside forces to aid in in its reproduction (humans liking the high it brings and deciding to cultivate mushrooms.. is absurd.
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ThePyschonaut52
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i agree with ya there uber.
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Nimbot
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UberDeepName said:
The taste probably deters "some predators", though not all. It could be a bi-product of the fruiting process. I don't really know. But to say that it helps reproduction in the sense that it encourages outside forces to aid in in its reproduction (humans liking the high it brings and deciding to cultivate mushrooms.. is absurd.
Ok, "Absurd" great argument. I thought someone was asking for an intelligent conversation here. My mistake. "Absurd" is a great argument there Einstein.
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Re: whats psilocin for? [Re: Nimbot]
#7131701 - 07/05/07 08:09 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nimbot said:
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ThePyschonaut52 said:
hi, this has been bugging me for a while, but whats the purpose of psilocin/psilocybin in mushrooms?
does its production deter predators, is it for regulation of growth, what?
It helps it reproduce. Very few people would grow it if it didn't contain these alkaloids. It also gets you high.
That would be plausible if it was one, or a few, species. Marijuana, for example- for whatever reason, some plant has THC, and then over the centuries, people raise it and breed it and select for content.
But that hasn't happened with mushrooms, and there are hundreds of species that contain actives, many of which have never been identified by people.
So it seems there's a non-human-oriented reason for psilocin/psilocybin.
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Re: whats psilocin for? [Re: Dr_T]
#7131719 - 07/05/07 08:17 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dr_T said:
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Nimbot said:
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ThePyschonaut52 said:
hi, this has been bugging me for a while, but whats the purpose of psilocin/psilocybin in mushrooms?
does its production deter predators, is it for regulation of growth, what?
It helps it reproduce. Very few people would grow it if it didn't contain these alkaloids. It also gets you high.
That would be plausible if it was one, or a few, species. Marijuana, for example- for whatever reason, some plant has THC, and then over the centuries, people raise it and breed it and select for content.
But that hasn't happened with mushrooms, and there are hundreds of species that contain actives, many of which have never been identified by people.
So it seems there's a non-human-oriented reason for psilocin/psilocybin.
That is true in a sense. Your argument is well thought out. However, thats not to say that these species will not all be discovered some day. If you believe in a higher power working the good of mankind putting it here for us to use, I suppose that would make more sense.
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Re: whats psilocin for? [Re: Nimbot]
#7131744 - 07/05/07 08:26 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nimbot said:If you believe in a higher power working the good of mankind putting it here for us to use, I suppose that would make more sense.
Well, sure- if you believe in a supernatural power, that's your answer;
"Jehovah made it" (or Allah, or Zeus, or Zoroastra, whoever).
But I prefer to think that IF there is such a being, there's more logic and less magic- for example, I believe that evolution happens, either by itself, or for use as a tool by a Creator. Likewise with psychedelics- I don't think that they are there just because people get high on them. I think there's another reason.
Don't know what it is, though. Who was it that said THC is to keep plants cool? What kind of weirdness is that? Plants don't need to be kept cool, and if they did, they would use water to do it, like every other living thing.
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Re: whats psilocin for? [Re: Dr_T]
#7131839 - 07/05/07 09:02 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nimbot said:If you believe in a higher power working the good of mankind putting it here for us to use, I suppose that would make more sense.
Well, sure- if you believe in a supernatural power, that's your answer;
"Jehovah made it" (or Allah, or Zeus, or Zoroastra, whoever).
But I prefer to think that IF there is such a being, there's more logic and less magic- for example, I believe that evolution happens, either by itself, or for use as a tool by a Creator. Likewise with psychedelics- I don't think that they are there just because people get high on them. I think there's another reason.
Don't know what it is, though. Who was it that said THC is to keep plants cool? What kind of weirdness is that? Plants don't need to be kept cool, and if they did, they would use water to do it, like every other living thing.
Yeah, I never heard about the THC thing either. Who knows. Makes you wonder why some mushrooms have more alkaloids than others too if it was put there by a higher power. There are some things that we'll never know.
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Hey guys - ok im not expert here but i dont think i read any response like the one im gonna give: Im not saying my reasoning is the right reasoning but its more of an idea. something to think about.
well think about when you grow mushrooms u always try to give them the best most nutritious substrate, right so they are more potent and whatever. a lot of the substrates that people use to grow like grains and have properties that aid in the production of tryptamines. for example whole grain millet has a high carb content, as well as magnesium, potassium and phosphorus. (link to where i got that info from) well perhaps there is no purpose for the psilocin/psilocybin to be there it just is because of the biological process of the fungi growing. U give the mushroom x and y and it produces z. Like a by product. c'mon not everything needs a purpose.
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Re: whats psilocin for? [Re: Seraph]
#7133194 - 07/05/07 02:36 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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thats a good theory seraph
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But to say that it helps reproduction in the sense that it encourages outside forces to aid in in its reproduction (humans liking the high it brings and deciding to cultivate mushrooms.. is absurd.
Why would that be absurd? Flowers and other plants have lots of traits that the sole purpose is to attract bees and birds and other insects for purpose of pollenation?
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Re: whats psilocin for? [Re: Rasulaz]
#7133367 - 07/05/07 03:16 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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This gets asked at least once a month, so a search will reveal the question has never been answered definitively.
In my opinion, it's there because it's there. It's like asking why green beans and spinach have iron, or asking why oranges have vitamin C. They just do.
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Re: whats psilocin for? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7134207 - 07/05/07 05:56 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
This gets asked at least once a month, so a search will reveal the question has never been answered definitively.
In my opinion, it's there because it's there. It's like asking why green beans and spinach have iron, or asking why oranges have vitamin C. They just do.
RR
Roger hit it on the head.
Humans still have vestigial tails in some cases, if you were x-ray a blue whale you would be able to see the remenence of its legged mammalian ancestors, in its pelvic structures. In anaconda's they have 2 jagged hook like appendages that come off near the end of their tail and they are remenence of their legged ancestors. Evolution is a slow process maybe one time millions of years ago psilocyn had a trait which no longer applies and evolution hasn't done away with it just yet.(got some xannys in my system sorry if my speech is little ify.)
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