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Ythan said:
I was going to reply to some of your statements, but once I stripped out all the logical fallacies I was left with "[...] Ron Paul's [...] ideas are old [...]" and I don't really object to that. In fact his ideas date back to 1776 and even earlier. You must be a real hit with your debate club.

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"To say Paul has a demented racist view would be an understatement. [...] Of course, Racist Paul has distanced himself from his own newsletter. He now claims he did not write it. It just had his name at the top. So, either he’s incompetent or he is a racist. Paul has chosen incompetent."

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A 1996 article in the Houston Chronicle alleges that Ron Paul made comments in a 1992 edition of the Ron Paul Survival Report (a newsletter published since 1985), including commentary on race and disparaging remarks about fellow congressperson Barbara Jordan, that could help his political opponents.

In a 2001 interview with Texas Monthly magazine, Paul acknowledged that the comments were printed in the newsletter under his name, but explained that they did not represent his views and that they were written by a ghostwriter. He further stated that he felt some moral responsibility for the words that had been attributed to him, despite the fact that they did not represent his way of thinking:

"They were never my words, but I had some moral responsibility for them...I actually really wanted to try to explain that it doesn't come from me directly, but they [campaign aides] said that's too confusing. 'It appeared in your letter and your name was on that letter and therefore you have to live with it.'"

He further stated:

"I could never say this in the campaign, but those words weren't really written by me. It wasn't my language at all. Other people help me with my newsletter as I travel around. I think the one on Barbara Jordan was the saddest thing, because Barbara and I served together and actually she was a delightful lady... we wanted to do something on affirmative action, and it ended up in the newsletter and became personalized. I never personalize anything."

Texas Monthly wrote in 2001, at the time they printed the denial, "What made the statements in the publication even more puzzling was that, in four terms as a U. S. congressman and one presidential race, Paul had never uttered anything remotely like this." They state that it would have been easier for him to deny the accusations at the time, because the controversy would have destroyed most politicians.

In an April 2007 column on his official House of Representatives website, Paul criticizes racism, saying:

"Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. Their obsession with racial group identity is inherently racist."

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So some racist comments slipped into his newsletter. Whether or not he wrote them, he took responsibility. Now that he's running for president he's trying to clear up confusion about his opinion on race. Holy shit, crime of the century!! His first choice of a running mate was also Walter Williams, and he offered to pay for a medal for Rosa Parks out of his own pocket so taxpayers wouldn't have to. Obviously one step away from Grand Wizard. If he does hold any racist beliefs (and you probably do too, by the way), they haven't had any influence on his voting record. Which is really what I'm concerned about.

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David Duke also loves Ron Paul so much that he keeps putting Ron’s articles up on his website. What could possibly be wrong with a guy David Duke loves?

And I don't want to forget about the racist website Stormfront. They adore Ron Paul and recently posed the question, "Is Ron Paul The One?" According to many on the site, he is.

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"Is bailing out people that chose to live on the coastline a proper function of the federal government?" he asks. "Why do people in Arizona have to be robbed in order to support the people on the coast?"

Does da little baby not wanna be part of da big society? Are they taking your money? Boo hoo.

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Paul on Social Security:

"We didn't have it until 1935. I mean, do you read stories about how many people were laying in the streets and dying and didn't have medical treatment?...Prices were low and the country was productive and families took care of themselves and churches built hospitals and there was no starvation."

Fucking read a book, man. How stupid are you? Ever hear of a fucking Hooverville? Michael Katz, a historian of poverty at the University of Pennsylvania answers the question I just asked. Plenty stupid.

"Where to begin with this one?" asks Michael Katz. "The stories just break your heart, the kind of suffering that people endured...Stories of families that had literally no cash and had to kind of beg to get the most minimal forms of food, who lived in tiny, little rooms that were ill-heated and ill-ventilated, who were sick all the time, who had meager clothing..."

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Paul considers Medicare and Medicaid to be unconstitutional.

I think it's a flaw in the perfect society I would like to see where individuals take care of themselves.

Yeah, we never tried that. Again, Paul, books are your friend, not your enemy.

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How about aid to poor countries?

Paul is against the government's "delusional, feel-good" policies of giving aid to needy countries in places like Africa; instead, private citizens and private groups should give charity if they want to. He has written that Americans "don't need to be forced to pay for foreign welfare at the barrel of a government gun."

Right. He is a cunt. I’m sure AIDS will just work itself out. I envision Paul at night in a corner of his room, arms wrapped around a big pile of money, screaming, “It’s mine!” Time to start acting like an adult, Ronny.

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Last quote I'm going to analyze. These chicks obviously got some sand in their vaginas during their last shoot. I really can't take them seriously at this point but hey you asked.

In my opinion, acting like an adult is not forcibly pushing your agenda on people, it's leaving them free to pursue their own prosperity and happiness. I like how they accuse Paul of greed when he does free medical work for low income families and returns his unused budget to the treasury. If you ask me, the greedy politicians are the ones who try and take *your* money to spend on programs you don't need, want or ask for. Ron Paul isn't saying that AIDS is unimportant, or that people don't deserve help. He's saying there are countless worthwhile causes out there, and people should be free to choose what their own money goes to support. To take on the Suicide Girl's alarmist tone, what they're (basically) saying is armed men should be able to show up at your door and demand a percentage of your income to send to Africa. Supporting charity is good and praise-worthy, but is it a categorical imperative we want the government enforcing through the legal system?

In conclusion there was obviously no effort spent making that article well thought-out or persuasive, and I feel slightly stoopider from having read it.

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Ythan said:
I was going to reply to some of your statements, but once I stripped out all the logical fallacies I was left with "[...] Ron Paul's [...] ideas are old [...]" and I don't really object to that. In fact his ideas date back to 1776 and even earlier. You must be a real hit with your debate club.

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Ythan said:
I was going to reply to some of your statements, but once I stripped out all the logical fallacies I was left with "[...] Ron Paul's [...] ideas are old [...]" and I don't really object to that. In fact his ideas date back to 1776 and even earlier. You must be a real hit with your debate club.

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iateshaggy said:
is anyone else aware that the period of american history w/ the largest percentage of middle-class citizens happened while there where no income taxes? we also didn't have a national deficit back then.

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Rahie said:
Mr. Rudy stands in Ron Pauls way. I can't believe people are going to vote for Rudy when all he is famous for is 9/11 and he fucked it all up.
Rudy was involved getting rid of the evidence, and people are dying because he didn't protect them with the proper gear to be breathing in toxic shit.
Fuck Rudy, he is just a NWO bitch.

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We also didn't have a deficit in the nineties.

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Enough, children, please touch yourselves behind closed doors, it's unseemly in a public place.

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He was never going anywhere? He's a legislator in (I believe) his 10th term. It sure sounds like he has done far more than nothing.

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Enough, children, please touch yourselves behind closed doors, it's unseemly in a public place.

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I would say the same thing for your Rudy worshiping.

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Anyway, Giuliani was nothing--though only in the national sense--until 9/11.

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Anyway, show me a libertarian who will oppose gay marriage, abortion rights, or gays in the military, and I'll show you someone who picks and chooses his dedication to keeping the government out of the average person's personal life based on his kneejerk fanaticisms. But hey, I'll keep my liberalism (which apparently isn't even my own) out of your peckerwood thread from here on out. Clearly it's degenerated into "backwards twit A is better than backwards twit B" when I thought it was just a free-for-all criticism of backwards twit A.

Let's end this with a prayer...

An' God bless NASCAR, an' God bless Larry the Cable Guy, an' God bless the little blue-eyed baby Jesus, an' God bless Pabst, an' God bless John Wayne, an' God bless Jesse Helms, Amen.

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