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Well, im assuming u actually close your jars tight after taking them out of the pressure cooker, otherwise they would contaminated and the whole purpose behind the pressure cooker would be lost.. duh.. also, u are only putting water halfway up the jars.. so unless u are using kleenx for jars i wouldn't worry about it. and if u were using kleenx then, well.. u don't deserve to grow.
Okay, first of all the reason you want your jars cooled in one hour after pressure cooking is..........?
a) If you were to wait 3 or so more hours then your spore solution will go bad.
b) You exacted the art of growing mushrooms and you want to make sure you'll be able to eat the first ripe mushroom at 12:00pm, exactly 4 weeks after inoculation. And if you where patient and let your cakes cool off the normal way you would miss that time.
c) Every time you pressure cook your cakes, your mom somehow mysteriously shows up just when your done so you have to quickly hide the cakes in the bathroom before she discovers what your doing with her pressure cooker.
d) Your a little impatient and you havn't quite grasped the fact that impatience very bad characteristic for the shroom grower to have.
e) None of the above.
Don't be offended Spellbin, I'm just playing with you. Thanx for the info. If it worked for you then it can work for others.
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Spellbin, unless you have a flow hood in front of you, I would not recommend doing this. When the jars are real hot, they are sucking in lots of air around them. Airborne contams will be drawn right to them. But if you absolutly must do this ... then you can also leave them out for 30 minutes, then put them in big giant tupperware salad bowls filled with ice and water. Although even when I have done this in the past they still never cooled in 1 hour. It was more like 2 to 3.
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[This message has been edited by Ryche Hawk (edited January 06, 2000).]
Why wouldnt you just let it sit? at worst you can run cold water over the pressure cooker and then let it sit in a sinkfull of cold water.. that cools off efficently.. and it is no more contamination prone than just letting it sit..
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What exactly is a flow hood? Do you have a picture?
The inside of my oven is pretty sterile right? Especially after being on at 300 for an hour. Can I just let the oven cool and put the jars on the rack with the door closed to cool overnight? Better than that nasty fridge, or the even nastier bathtub ... EGADS!
I'm asking about the oven because my sterlization pot is small and I want to get more jars cooking as soon as possible (batch mode). Can I take them out hot without tightening the lids, and let them cool in the sterile oven? Then after they have cooled in the oven, I'll reach in and tighten the lids and let them sit in the ir original boxes until I'm ready to inoculate. If I tighten the lids while hot, they create a vacuum which literally sucks bigtime later when I open them to inoculate. I guess it is best to let the jars cool inside a pressure cooker with the lids loose. Then tighten them as you take them out. That way the pressure inside the jar is the same as the outside and they will not suck in germs when opened to inoculate. Am I understanding this right?
We all have to figure out our own "tek" with the tools and resources we have.
I gratefully await a few crumbs from your bountiful table of infinite wisdom (on behalf of all us shroomgrowerwannabe's).
TriGuy
[This message has been edited by TriGuy (edited January 06, 2000).]
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Re: A quick easy way to cool jars in less than 1hr after removing from pressure canner. #70205 - 01/07/00 09:32 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)
A flow hood sucks in the air around your work area and pushes it through an industry standard HEPA filter. The air coming out of the flow hood is what you work in front of. This way airborne contamaination and other unwanted nasties have a hard time landing on your substrate etc..
HEPA is an acronym for " High Efficiency Particulate Air ",,,,which means the filter material allows for air flow for particles to pass only up too a certain size with 99.99 % efficiency,,in this case particles no larger than .3 microns.
Yes.. there is a small picture of one on my website.
Allowing them to sit in the oven like that doesn't sound like a bad idea at all. If you dont have a pressure canner and are you using a big pot to steam them, then this may not be a bad idea. Personally when I use to use a pot, after it got cool enough I just left the lid on and put a clean towel over it until It was cool enough or I could get back to it to use it. The fridge is definatly not a good idea, everytime we tried this and the freezer, back in the day, they never worked, always contaminated, or just grew nothing. Not sure why.. the freezer was clean, but yet still seemed to curse our experiments. Your oven idea sounds better since your working with a small pot.
Yes.. a pressure canner is the way to go, I highly recommend one. Although not everyone can afford one. Perhaps to everyone reading this, put $20 a week aside, and within a month you'll have one. Or what one friend does, he goes around to the pawn shops and picks them up for $15-$30. Occaisionally they'll need a new seal $10, but hey that is still cheap.
Keep im mind making your jars cool faster than they do naturally will cause moister from in the jars to evaporate and leave the jar.
Try this.
- fill a jar with water and put tin foil over it. - Pressure Cook for 45min - Take pressure knob off pressure cooker to release pressure. - open pressure cooker and place jar in cold water
within about 2 minutes you will notice your jar has no more water in it. Your substrate wouldn't enjoy this!
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Re: A quick easy way to cool jars in less than 1hr after removing from pressure canner. #70208 - 01/09/00 05:12 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)
Hey, well, thanks for your imput.. and i found it all very useful.. But, i thought i might as well share this idea.. ehehe, welp anyways. I did inncolate only a little while after an hour of being out of the steamer, AND, at 1 week some of my jars are 3/4 colenized (sorry for the cheap ass spelling). Also, the air being sucked in could be a decent hazard. Welp, cya'll...
Spellbin.
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Re: A quick easy way to cool jars in less than 1hr after removing from pressure canner. #70209 - 01/09/00 05:17 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)
Hmm, i was using a steamer.. not a pressure cooker. and i could hold the jars in my hand without scolding myself BEFORE i put them in the water. Also the lids were on tight with tape when i put them in the water...
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also, u are only putting water halfway up the jars.. so unless u are using kleenx for jars i wouldn't worry about it. and if u were using kleenx then, well.. u don't deserve to grow.
