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 Ego Death
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 Shroom illegality, the bible and the courts
#6998766 - 06/02/07 07:19 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I was just reading the news here and saw the cases where people are getting insanely high jail terms for having shrooms and it got me thinking.
Do the courts there make you swear on the bible? Is Christianity part of the judicial process?
If I lived in the US and had been caught with shrooms, I would argue that they make you swear on a bible for God but won't let you consume a shroom that God put on this Earth for us.
I'd say humans and animals have consumed psychedelics since the dawn of man, our history is rite with it - only now we are taking peoples freedom away because they want to learn about their own minds.
I expect they'd probably call me the devil or something (with their medieval lynch mob mentalities).
All I'm really saying is it seems absurd to me to take someones freedom because they ate a mushroom.
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 Re: Shroom illegality, the bible and the courts [Re: Ego Death]
#6998780 - 06/02/07 07:24 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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More like they'd simply say you were in violation of the law, and the fact that you perceive the law as hypocritical is irrelevant. Then they'd say you are going to jail.
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Re: Shroom illegality, the bible and the courts [Re: Ego Death]
#6998876 - 06/02/07 08:17 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah you don't have to swear on the Bible. The Bible is irrelevant to the whole proceeding, thus, your proposed rant is irrelevant as well. 
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Re: Shroom illegality, the bible and the courts [Re: Ego Death]
#6999808 - 06/02/07 12:32 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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At one point consciousness-altering devices like the microscope and telescope were criminalized for exactly the same reasons that psychedelic plants were banned in later years.
They allow us to peer into bits and zones of Chaos.
-Timothy Leary
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Re: Shroom illegality, the bible and the courts [Re: AlteredAgain]
#7000903 - 06/02/07 06:32 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I'm not a law expert, but at which point do you swear to tell the truth? And what do you swear "on". Your trusty word? hehe
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So, what's wrong into peering into bits and zones of Chaos according to the wise ones?
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Re: Shroom illegality, the bible and the courts [Re: Kapitoshka]
#7002926 - 06/03/07 11:23 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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i would say that it brings us to the realization that we are far more capable than we have been told to believe.
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Re: Shroom illegality, the bible and the courts [Re: Ego Death]
#7003457 - 06/03/07 02:09 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Ego Death said:
If I lived in the US and had been caught with shrooms, I would argue that they make you swear on a bible for God but won't let you consume a shroom that God put on this Earth for us.
I'd say humans and animals have consumed psychedelics since the dawn of man, our history is rite with it - only now we are taking peoples freedom away because they want to learn about their own minds.
This argument seems like a bit of a non-sequitor because it could be applied to anything:
You make me swear before God, but you won't let me take life the way God sends the angel of death to take life at several points in the Bible.
Humans and many species of animals have killed members of their own species since the dawn of time, and there are several countries world-wide that recognize the legitimacy of honor killings, only in the West is this practice outlawed...
If you try hard enough you can apply this basic logic to almost any action, so it's pretty much a no-go in the legal world.
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Re: Shroom illegality, the bible and the courts [Re: Economist]
#7004280 - 06/03/07 05:40 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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a similar defense didn't work for Johnny Depp in the movie Blow.
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Re: Shroom illegality, the bible and the courts [Re: kotik]
#7004394 - 06/03/07 06:08 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Ha I was totally thinking about that when I first read this thread. 
It isn't me, babe, it isn't me. 
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Re: Shroom illegality, the bible and the courts [Re: Ego Death]
#7005248 - 06/03/07 09:00 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Your better off to argue on the basis of ownership i.e. that the government implies a degree of ownership of humans by limiting what their property can and cannot do. That and a little philosophy on consent and how it applies to the civil contract that we all by into (not sure of the exact name of it) to give government the power to enforce rules that aren't harming individuals. Overall that won't get you far either, but you could sidetrack your status for a whlie, while your working for an actual defense.
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