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 EntheogenicPeace
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 Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: SlashOZ]
#6741855 - 04/03/07 11:40 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Was a bit rushed last post... here's that 60 Minutes link:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/29/60minutes/main2625305.shtml
Look, let's stick specifically to the so-called "War on Drugs" (I know, I get into other topics very easily... though I do believe they're all related in some way) Bottom line is that the "War on Drugs" benefits a very small segment of society; a segment which currently controls the U.S. government & its policy. This policy (prohibition) is not in the interests of the overwhelming majority of the American people; even if they themselves don't know it due to ignorance. I fully agree that a majority of the American people share the blame for this as they are content in being gullible, ignorant, & passively obedient to whatever their government (& the interests behind it) tells them. Or even if they do know the truth, they don't pursue it very thoroughly or with much commitment.
We both agreed we want the same things (completely abolish the "War on Drugs", pardon all nonviolent offenders, etc.), we just disagree on how these ends will be reached. Let me say that i hope you are right. I hope that a majority of the American people will no longer be content in their ignorance, stupidity, & apathy; & that they will absolutely refuse to elect politicians who regurgitate the propaganda of the status quo & continue its disastrous practices. However, i don't see that happening any time soon.
And remember, popular support isn't a victory. If America were a democracy it would be, but the U.S. government has shown time & time again how they really feel about democracy; its a great propaganda idea to perpetuate to make people passive & distracted, but when it gets in the way of big business it has to be crushed using all manner of illegal, violent & undemocratic means if need be. So convincing a majority of the American people of the truth (& getting them to vote accordingly) is one hurdle. The other (taller, IMO) hurdle is overcoming the inevitable (& sometimes violent) repression that will occur when big business interests become fearful of an educated public threatening their enormous profits.
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EntheogenicPeace
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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: SlashOZ]
#6741911 - 04/03/07 11:54 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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No they weren't commies but they were left leaning leaders or leaders that held a sympathetic view towards the USSR and hostile view towards the USA/west.
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Suharto's challengers were left leaning/socialist supporters who if in power would have redistributed land and wealth and nationalized the economy.
If your neighbor's are making a decision, do you intervene & tell them what they should decide? If people in another town are holding a meeting on an issue, do you go there & tell them what they must do? If people halfway around the world are debating their society & future, would you go there with a gun & dictate what actions they must take & how their society must be run?
For all the lip service Americans give to democracy, their actions reveal how they really feel about it. Let me be unequivocal about the following: People everywhere in the world want self-determination, not imperialist domination. If people somewhere else in the world want a society other than one where 90-95% of the wealth, resources, & land is in the hands of 5-10% of the population, & if you really respected democracy & the self-determination of others, you would let them organize their societies how they wanted, not how the privileged elite in the Western world wanted.
"I believe that if we had and would keep our dirty, bloody, dollar-soaked fingers out of the business of these nations so full of depressed, exploited people, they will arrive at a solution of their own.... And if unfortunately their revolution must be of the violent type because the "haves" refuse to share with the "have-nots" by any peaceful method, at least what they get will be their own, and not the American style, which they don't want and above all don't want crammed down their throats by Americans." - former U.S. Marine General David Sharp
Edited by EntheogenicPeace (04/03/07 12:15 PM)
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EntheogenicPeace
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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: SlashOZ]
#6741947 - 04/03/07 12:05 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah cuz 9/11 never happened or was a hoax, and it was all just ploy to line the pockets of halliburton.
Of course it happened, but that doesn't diminish that the so-called "War on Terror" is a complete hoax. The U.S. government has perpetrated (& is today) hundreds of thousands of times more terrorism than it has ever been the recipient of. It is inherently contradictory & a logical impossibility to fight a tactic for which the definition is subjective & self-defined to fit one's own interests by using those same means that you claim to condemn.
So getting away from the bullshit propaganda that simply feeds the ethnocentrism of self-righteous people... let's say the U.S. government is fighting a "War against jihadist Muslims who want to establish a global Islamic caliphate". If that were the case, why was the U.S. military ordered to illegally invade & occupy Iraq, which was under a secular regime that had nothing to do with the forementioned?
Edited by EntheogenicPeace (04/03/07 12:17 PM)
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SlashOZ
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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#6743182 - 04/03/07 05:32 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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You're right, U.S. imperialism is bad. I'm not saying it wasn't I was just wanting to get out that it was the U.S. basic foreign policy model based around a world police ideology that is the cause not some conspiracy. Since WWII most americans believe their country was chosen to lead the rest of the world. Look at Rome, Egypt, China, Japan, Nazi Germany as the most famous historical examples of this same type of ideology. In the U.S. we call this ideology the neo-conservative political view. As soon as this ideology looses steam, which it currently is loosing, we will stop playing the world's police.
As far as the war on drugs we agree on everything except the cause of the problem and the obsticles we need to overcome. I'm saying we need to change the lie based mindset of the past for a new one with facts. You are saying there is some sort of economic conspiracy comprised of 20-100 individuals who run the scenes. I think the fight is against public ignorance and you think we need to overcome a pharmacutical governmental complex.
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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: SlashOZ]
#6746069 - 04/04/07 11:57 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, imperialism is a violation of other people's right of self-determination no matter who's doing it & no matter what historic time frame it occurs in. America certainly isn't the first (though I hope it's the last... but I doubt it), but it presently is (& has been for decades) the world's foremost imperialist power, & arguably maintains the most extensive & warmongering empire in all of human history.
I agree that public ignorance maintains the current prohibition, but public ignorance exists due to the fact that people have been lied to & deceived about the truth on this subject, & I'm pointing out which influential interests are behind this deception.
Perhaps the biggest scaremonger in American history regarding "drugs", specifically cannabis, was William Randolph Hearst, the biggest newspaper & magazine tycoon in America at the time, who stood to lose a fortune if the source of paper turned from timber to hemp.
Andrew Mellon, founder of Gulf Oil Corporation, created the Federal Bureau of Narcotics while he was Secretary of the Treasury. He appointed his future nephew-in-law, Harry Anslinger, to run the newly-created department. Anslinger would work hand in hand with Hearse in an over-the-top propaganda campaign (think Reefer Madness) to vilify the "devil's weed".
Another hugely influential entity at the time of cannabis prohibition was the Du Pont Chemical company, which had patents on many synthetic chemicals that would make them billions in the future so long as cheaper, more sustainable & environmentally-friendly hemp alternative were prevented from being utilized. This competition between the two sources (these newly-created chemicals & hemp) covered a wide range of products; paper, gasoline additives, fiber, & plastics.
Edited by EntheogenicPeace (04/04/07 02:42 PM)
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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#6746468 - 04/04/07 01:29 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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EntheogenicPeace said:
Perhaps the biggest scaremonger in American history regarding "drugs", specifically cannabis, was William Randolph Hearst, the biggest newspaper & magazine tycoon in America at the time, who stood to lose a fortune if the source of paper turned from timber to hemp.
Owning media outlets doesn't equate to having an invested interest in stopping cannabis from being legal. If anything he would prefer the cheaper source of paper, provided he doesn't hold a significant share of any paper producing company. Even so what is stopping said companies from diversifying their paper production to incorporate cannabis paper? There is no inherent barrier for paper companies to fear the production of cannibis paper since they can branch into that means of production as well as using the current sources: trees, recycled and grass.
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Andrew Mellon, founder of Gulf Oil Corporation, created the Federal Bureau of Narcotics while he was Secretary of the Treasury. He appointed his future nephew-in-law, Harry Anslinger, to run the newly-created department. Anslinger would work hand in hand with Hearse in an over-the-top propaganda campaign (think Reefer Madness) to vilify the "devil's weed".
good example
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Another hugely influential entity at the time of cannabis prohibition was the Du Pont Chemical company, which had patents on many synthetic chemicals that would make them billions in the future so long as cheaper, more sustainable & environmentally-friendly hemp alternative were prevented from be utilized. This competition between the two sources (these newly-created chemicals & hemp) covered a wide range of products; paper, gasoline additives, fiber, & plastics.
good example.
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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: SlashOZ]
#6746766 - 04/04/07 02:40 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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From Wikipedia: {Hearst also sympathised with Harry J. Anslinger in his war against marijuana. His paper empire (he owned hundreds of acres of timber forests) was threatened by hemp, which could be regrown yearly. He published many of the stories that Anslinger fabricated, aiding the anti-marijuana movment that eventually led to its prohibition in the 1937 Marihuana Tax Act.}
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EntheogenicPeace
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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: SlashOZ]
#6750321 - 04/05/07 11:41 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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That last post wasn't very comprehenisve. Here's something I pulled off of Erowid...
{The actual story behind the legislature passed against marijuana is quite surprising. According to Jack Herer, author of The Emperor Wears No Clothes and an expert on the "hemp conspiracy," the acts bringing about the demise of hemp were part of a large conspiracy involving DuPont, Harry J. Anslinger, commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, and many other influential industrial leaders such as William Randolph Hearst and Andrew Mellon. Herer notes that the Marijuana Tax Act, which passed in 1937, coincidentally occurred just as the decoricator machine was invented. With this invention, hemp would have been able to take over competing industries almost instantaneously. According to Popular Mechanics, "10,000 acres devoted to hemp will produce as much paper as 40,000 acres of average [forest] pulp land." William Hearst owned enormous timber acreage, land best suited for conventional pulp, so his interest in preventing the growth of hemp can be easily explained. Competition from hemp would have easily driven the Hearst paper-manufacturing company out of business and significantly lowered the value of his land. Herer even suggests popularizing the term "marijuana" was a strategy Hearst used in order to create fear in the American public. "The first step in creating hysteria was to introduce the element of fear of the unknown by using a word that no one had ever heard of before... 'marijuana'" (ibid).
DuPont's involvment in the anti-hemp campaign can also be explained with great ease. At this time, DuPont was patenting a new sulfuric acid process for producing wood-pulp paper. "According to the company's own records, wood-pulp products ultimately accounted for more than 80% of all DuPont's railroad car loadings for the next 50 years" (ibid). Indeed it should be noted that "two years before the prohibitive hemp tax in 1937, DuPont developed a new synthetic fiber, nylon, which was an ideal substitute for hemp rope" (Hartsell). The year after the tax was passed DuPont came out with rayon, which would have been unable to compete with the strength of hemp fiber or its economical process of manufacturing. "DuPont's point man was none other than Harry Anslinger...who was appointed to the FBN by Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon, who was also chairman of the Mellon Bank, DuPont's chief financial backer. Anslinger's relationship to Mellon wasn't just political, he was also married to Mellon's niece" (Hartsell). It doesn't take much to draw a connection between DuPont, Anslinger, and Mellon, and it's obvious that all of these groups, including Hearst, had strong motivation to prevent the growth of the hemp industry.
The reasoning behind DuPont, Anslinger, and Hearst was not for any moral or health related issues. They fought to prevent the growth of this new industry so they wouldn't go bankrupt...
An entire industry could be created out of hemp based products. The oils extracted from seeds could be used for fuels and the hemp fiber, a fiber so valued for its strength that it is used to judge the quality of other fibers, could be manufactured into ropes, clothing, or paper...
We can expect strong opposition from companies like DuPont and paper manufacturerss but the selfishness of these corporations should not prevent its use in our society like it did in the 1930's. Regardless of what these organizations will say about marijuana, the fact is it has the potential to become one of the most useful substances in the entire world. If we took action and our government legalized it today, we would immediately see benefits from this decision. People suffering from illnesses ranging from manic depression to multiple sclerosis would be able to experience relief, the government could make a fortune off of the taxes it could impose on its sale, and its implementation into the industrial world would create thousands of new jobs for the economy. Also, because of its role in paper making, the rain forests of South America could be saved from their current fate. No recorded deaths have ever occurred as a result of marijuana use, it is not physically addictive like alcohol or tobacco, and most doctors will agree it is safer to use.}
Edited by EntheogenicPeace (04/05/07 04:07 PM)
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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#6752611 - 04/05/07 10:31 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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that is very interesting, jack herer knows what he is talking about.
man i wish i had a weed strain named after me.
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EntheogenicPeace
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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: Phish_Dude]
#6752750 - 04/05/07 11:12 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Indeed... to comprehensively understand the present one must thoroughly know the past. If one has a very poor knowledge of the past, then they can easily be deceived about the present.
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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#6839461 - 04/27/07 12:25 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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IMO!
I think it should be legal
-People that have illnesses would be happy
-People knowing there going to die would be not as depressed.
-Why go die in a war for your country if you cant do something you enjoy
-Stop lieing to yourself there are more people that smoke the ganja then they say do.
-It's easier to get then Alcohol(if your not of age)
-Just because the government legalizes it doesn't mean they have to be the ones distributing it. I'm not saying support terrorism(grow your own)
-Sativa highs will motivate people unlike the indica highs, where will be on "Pete's couch"
-I would rather have a high driver then a drunk driver
-Make people go to High driver's school or something..
-The people that don't do shit when they are high are missing out.
-Be responsible about it.
-Scientist know stuff. This stuff they know usually changes over the years to completely different ideas.
-God gave us free will. and 10 commandments. Smoking wasn't on there.
-Study history study history- W. Churchill "Prohibition doesn't work."
-God gave us ganja for a reason. The reason is unknown.
-Arrest one drug dealer and more will rise.
-Shits already super available
-Prisons are overcrowded. Why fuck peoples futures up because they wanted to experience something life has to offer.
-It's our own body, let us do what we want with it.
-You only live onces, and right now the sky is the limit for most of us.....Let people get high.
-MJ doesn't kill people, people kill people.
-America is fat, it might get fatter.
-MJ makes me stupid as fuck some times and sometimes i feel like i think outside the box and become more creative.
-I would rather go to a Tree bar then a Hookah bar.
These are my thoughts.
P.S. Drugs have caused many breakthroughs in technology that we probably wouldn't have had if it wasn't for drug use.
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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: Available]
#6839496 - 04/27/07 12:43 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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"Pete's couch"... lol
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America is fat, it might get fatter.
What? LOL
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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#6904929 - 05/12/07 02:51 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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I have mixed feelings about marijuana legalization. On one hand, It would be awesome to be able to spark up at a bus stop or the smoking area of a restaurant. On the other, cigarette companies would likely start marketing over-priced and low-potency marijauna. When Hell freezes and the USA legalizes, I would think that privately growing and selling would still be outlawed. I can see Camel marketing an exotic marijuana cigarette that is 60% tobacco and 40% ow-potency marijuana. Id rather take my chances with buying from one of my close friends
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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: smellybluerash]
#6919664 - 05/15/07 12:20 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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I agree... for that reason I support full & complete decriminalization. I want cannabis by, of & for the people; not corporate profits.
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