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 lsg1
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 Practicality / ethical implications of plug spawn in live trees
#6891560 - 05/08/07 10:19 PM (5 years, 21 days ago) |
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Is it both practical and "ethical" to drill holes in live trees and place a few reishi or shittake plug spawn within? In terms of ethical issues, I basically mean violating the integrity of the tree.
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zee_werp
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Re: Practicality / ethical implications of plug spawn in live trees [Re: lsg1]
#6891774 - 05/08/07 11:13 PM (5 years, 21 days ago) |
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Shiitake and reishi prefer to grow on dead trees. So there's not a lot of point doing it to a live one. Unless you want to kill it.
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Re: Practicality / ethical implications of plug spawn in live trees [Re: zee_werp]
#6891802 - 05/08/07 11:23 PM (5 years, 20 days ago) |
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I dont think it would work.
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Re: Practicality / ethical implications of plug spawn in live trees [Re: Cryogenicz]
#6891815 - 05/08/07 11:28 PM (5 years, 20 days ago) |
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It wouldn't work. Reishi is a secondary decomposer that goes to work after several other species of fungi are finished. In nature, it's often one of the last ones, infecting trees that died decades earlier.
Shiitake can grow on fresher wood, but you don't inoculate live trees. The enzymes would fight off the mycelium.
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Re: Practicality / ethical implications of plug spawn in live trees [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6892052 - 05/09/07 01:04 AM (5 years, 20 days ago) |
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what about miatake or lions mane that should work right?
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Re: Practicality / ethical implications of plug spawn in live trees [Re: makaveli8x8]
#6893583 - 05/09/07 11:18 AM (5 years, 20 days ago) |
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What could you inoculate live trees with?
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Re: Practicality / ethical implications of plug spawn in live trees [Re: strangladesh]
#6893880 - 05/09/07 01:05 PM (5 years, 20 days ago) |
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i think u could inoculate the roots of live trees with truffle mycelium, but i read it takes like 7 years to get truffles...it would still be sweet, when i buy land i'm definitely gonna look into it...
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Re: Practicality / ethical implications of plug spawn in live trees [Re: fungusfun1]
#6894072 - 05/09/07 02:03 PM (5 years, 20 days ago) |
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If the inoculation is effective, maitake would probably kill the tree over a couple years.
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Re: Practicality / ethical implications of plug spawn in live trees [Re: YidakiMan]
#6894079 - 05/09/07 02:04 PM (5 years, 20 days ago) |
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IMO is important to do not introduce new strain into the habitat.
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Re: Practicality / ethical implications of plug spawn in live trees [Re: FreeSporePrints]
#6894159 - 05/09/07 02:34 PM (5 years, 20 days ago) |
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Fuck....Maitake you say....do they kill trees by nature...would they inoculate my whole woods over time...that could be a very good cash crop....
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Re: Practicality / ethical implications of plug spawn in live trees [Re: strangladesh]
#6894332 - 05/09/07 03:27 PM (5 years, 20 days ago) |
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i don't know about miatake killing tree's, i read in one of stamets books that miatake has been fruiting from this one tree for years and years...it doesn't say if the tree is dead or alive(that i remember) but doesn't miatake kinda coexist with a living tree same as lions mane?
they say that some mushrooms like not just wood, but all the other living organsms that live on it(hence why we pastureize straw)....so one would think that some mushrooms actually help a tree
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Re: Practicality / ethical implications of plug spawn in live trees [Re: makaveli8x8]
#6894573 - 05/09/07 04:43 PM (5 years, 20 days ago) |
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So lions mane aswell...could these be put into live trees?
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Re: Practicality / ethical implications of plug spawn in live trees [Re: strangladesh]
#6894696 - 05/09/07 05:18 PM (5 years, 20 days ago) |
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Grifola is a faculative parasite. In nature, it consumes dead roots and some live tissue and effectively prevents obligant parasites from gaining a foothold and killing the whole tree. Nevertheless, Grifola consumes the roots, thus weakening the hold on the soil. Increased sway will break and kill more roots and eventually the tree will die. It could be as long as a decade.
http://botit.botany.wisc.edu/toms_fungi/nov2006.html
check out the section about "tip up", second paragraph.
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