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 Derami
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 Which Drugs should be legal
#6849151 - 04/29/07 11:14 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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I don't really think that an all-out legalization of drugs should happen, but that's just personal opinion. I haven't seen a post like this so I think it might be something new to discuss. I'll make a list of most common illegal drugs.
-Marijuana
-Shrooms
-Cocaine/Crack/Heroin
-LSD/PCP
-Other
Any not on the list can be said. Just say why.
Which ones should become legalized in your opinion?
I say just weed and shrooms. They grow naturally and don't involve mixing chemicals together to get the end product, and they also aren't deadly on their own (Such as not killing you if you take too much). I also think cocaine is totally pointless for the time it lasts and shrooms aren't much different from lsd/pcp (I guess I could be lenient about these two as well, but they just aren't natural though.)
All pollees please post a reply.
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Re: Which Drugs should be legal [Re: Derami]
#6849217 - 04/29/07 11:40 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Why in the hell did you combine LSD and PCP to be legalized?
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Re: Which Drugs should be legal [Re: mystery]
#6849440 - 04/29/07 01:08 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Its not the governments job to tell me what I can and cannot put in my body. No "drug" should be illegal.
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Re: Which Drugs should be legal [Re: dedjam]
#6862058 - 05/02/07 09:02 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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gopenguins said:
Its not the governments job to tell me what I can and cannot put in my body. No "drug" should be illegal.
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Re: Which Drugs should be legal [Re: AlteredAgain]
#6863087 - 05/02/07 02:14 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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The government has no right to legislate my moral values. It is not their job to protect me from myself. All drugs should be legal.
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Re: Which Drugs should be legal [Re: robbyberto]
#6863150 - 05/02/07 02:31 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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robbyberto said:
The government has no right to legislate my moral values. It is not their job to protect me from myself. All drugs should be legal.
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Re: Which Drugs should be legal [Re: unbeliever]
#6866180 - 05/03/07 05:58 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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While personal autonomy is enough, many people can't agree you have a right to smoke crack cuz it "is" so bad- to those people.
I still don't see how that translates into throughing someone into jail for 2 years on a possesion- as happened in my neck of the woods recently- sole charge.
If its given that substance A is bad for the user, and the user's role in society, I don't see how it follows that it is morall to imprison them. The only way I think that logic works is that you assume society has a right to demand an individual work- in which case you raise the needs of the many over the autonomy of the individual.
Once you promote social gain over personal autonomy, why can't you force people into jobs that are best for society? You can reduce this further, but you get the point.
Moreover, I don't see how it is appropriate to divert our taxes to imprisoning hordes of people, when most all ill caused by drugs is an arrtifact of their legal status. (Violence, theft to pay for drugs, mistrust of police, et cet.)
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Re: Which Drugs should be legal [Re: AlteredAgain]
#6872476 - 05/04/07 02:40 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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AlteredAgain said:
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gopenguins said:
Its not the governments job to tell me what I can and cannot put in my body. No "drug" should be illegal.
I don't know, I am very conflicted about the issue. If us Americans can't use alcohol responsibly, how would we use other more potentially harmful drugs? I think we are too stupid to have that choice.
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Re: Which Drugs should be legal [Re: special_k]
#6872986 - 05/04/07 05:06 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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So we should make everything that is potential dangerous illegal? FUCK, great idea. Lets make cars, skiing, sky diving, and bungee jumping illegal. If drugs were legal we would know the exact dosage and purity. There would be less deaths even. Maybe more from the now illegal drugs but less death combined with alcohol and tobacco.
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Re: Which Drugs should be legal [Re: robbyberto]
#6875857 - 05/05/07 11:51 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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It certainly follows.
Office of National Drug Control Propoganda (policy) states 15,973 deaths in 1997 were due to illegal drugs.
http://www.ncjrs.gov/ondcppubs/publications/policy/ndcs00/endnotes.html#118
Reportedly, in 1996 there were 43,000 deaths by motor vehicles- according to the census
http://www.anesi.com/accdeath.htm
Seems clear to me, although on a percapita basis the results would surely be less kind to drugs, althougha
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 Re: Which Drugs should be legal [Re: malcom43]
#6876012 - 05/05/07 12:49 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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The FDA is trying to make bottled water, vitamins, and anything of the sort FDA approved before selling them on shelves. They take away one thing and it just gets worse and worse, snowball affect until the FDA has to approve of our baby's before we have them. Fuck them.
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Re: Which Drugs should be legal [Re: special_k]
#6876038 - 05/05/07 12:59 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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special_k said:
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gopenguins said:
Its not the governments job to tell me what I can and cannot put in my body. No "drug" should be illegal.
I don't know, I am very conflicted about the issue. If us Americans can't use alcohol responsibly, how would we use other more potentially harmful drugs? I think we are too stupid to have that choice.
what about those of us willing to exercise personal responsibility? are we left to give that up because others are "too stupid to have that choice?"
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Re: Which Drugs should be legal [Re: robbyberto]
#6876228 - 05/05/07 01:51 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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robbyberto said:
So we should make everything that is potential dangerous illegal? FUCK, great idea. Lets make cars, skiing, sky diving, and bungee jumping illegal. If drugs were legal we would know the exact dosage and purity. There would be less deaths even. Maybe more from the now illegal drugs but less death combined with alcohol and tobacco.
I don't know about you but I don't like the idea any person having to ability to go to a store and buying anything they want at any given time. At least with skiing, sky diving, and bungee jumping, you are only putting yourself at risk. I see people driving while under the influence of psychedelics, maybe heroin, or xanax. I see people going to work in potentially dangerous jobs while still altered. I see several people becoming addicted to crack, amphetamines, barbiturates, and opiates. This is my opinion and maybe I'm wrong but I don't trust people. Oh, and cars are too essential of a need to be made illegal. I don't think a person needs dope.
I think that there should be some decriminalization, just not an all out all drugs legalized. I think if alcohol is legal than marijuana should be legal. I think that there just has to be some means of keeping the majority away from instant access to all drugs. We are a country known for irresponsibly overindulging in things.
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Re: Which Drugs should be legal [Re: AlteredAgain]
#6876294 - 05/05/07 02:12 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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AlteredAgain said:
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special_k said:
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AlteredAgain said:
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gopenguins said:
Its not the governments job to tell me what I can and cannot put in my body. No "drug" should be illegal.
I don't know, I am very conflicted about the issue. If us Americans can't use alcohol responsibly, how would we use other more potentially harmful drugs? I think we are too stupid to have that choice.
what about those of us willing to exercise personal responsibility? are we left to give that up because others are "too stupid to have that choice?"
In my opinion yes and no. Yes I think that we are left to give up our right to legally use certain drugs. But no because its not like thats going to stop us. I'm sure a good number of us enjoy our illegal drugs despite hefty penalties if caught. I'd be happy with just some drastic decriminalization.
As stated before my concern is everyone having the ability to buy and use any thing, anytime they want. The drugs I most concern with being unleashed to common people are the barbiturates, opiates, amphetamines, and long lasting hallucinogens.
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Re: Which Drugs should be legal [Re: special_k]
#6876470 - 05/05/07 03:06 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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gopenguins said:
Its not the governments job to tell me what I can and cannot put in my body. No "drug" should be illegal.
I don't know, I am very conflicted about the issue. If us Americans can't use alcohol responsibly, how would we use other more potentially harmful drugs? I think we are too stupid to have that choice.
I think the legality of alcohol is actually an argument for legalization of all drugs. You have a nice big juicy data set of what would happen if a destructive, addictive and socially detrimental substance was legal. It's called booze. And to my mind it pretty much proves that addicts will be addicts, people who can behave responsibly will behave responsibly and etc. So to introduce other drugs into the legal arena would simply change the shade of the current alcohol abuse problems.. but I don't think it would increase them in any statistically significant way.
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Re: Which Drugs should be legal [Re: special_k]
#6876476 - 05/05/07 03:07 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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It's natural selection. The people that are stupid enough to kill themselves with drugs will die. Why should we be forced to pay to protect them from their own stupidity? If people are found to be driving under the influence of anything just take away their license for 5 years. That will most definitely stop a lot of them from doing it.
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Re: Which Drugs should be legal [Re: Derami]
#6876909 - 05/05/07 04:55 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I think all drugs should be legalized, but some of the harder drugs should be more heavily regulated. I don't think you should be able to get heroin at a grocery store, but I think it would be fine if you could order it online or via mail and have it delivered to your house(incidentally, it was available in precisely this method before prohibition). Psychedelics should be available at head shops. Weed should be available behind the counter in the same way that tobacco is today.
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Re: Which Drugs should be legal [Re: Silversoul]
#6877089 - 05/05/07 05:33 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I don't think that keeping heavy drugs limited like that would work. It would just create a new black market, not completely different than the one that exists today. The only choice would be 100 percent legalization and a massive education campaign funded via tax money. The money that would have been going to the DEA and prosecuting drug offenders would instead go into the education campaign.
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Re: Which Drugs should be legal [Re: robbyberto]
#6877384 - 05/05/07 06:47 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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robbyberto said:
I don't think that keeping heavy drugs limited like that would work. It would just create a new black market, not completely different than the one that exists today. The only choice would be 100 percent legalization and a massive education campaign funded via tax money. The money that would have been going to the DEA and prosecuting drug offenders would instead go into the education campaign.
I heard Kucinich say, in that interview with Bill Maher, that it should be a healthcare issue, not a law enforcement problem. I think that's right on the money. Information, awareness, treatment as needed and ultimately support of our fellow human beings. Instead we have oppression, violence, abuse of power and an overall denigration of the human spirit.
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Re: Which Drugs should be legal [Re: robbyberto]
#6880255 - 05/06/07 12:14 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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robbyberto said:
I don't think that keeping heavy drugs limited like that would work. It would just create a new black market, not completely different than the one that exists today.
I fail to see how. It would simply limit their availability to children. Junkies will go to great lengths to get their fix, so I doubt that they would be oblivious to the availability of their drug of choice on the internet.
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