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 Re: Anyone care to register their feelings on POPCORN???  [Re: JayemJigga]
#6746477 - 04/04/07 12:31 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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JayemJigga said:
thanks agar ....very informative .
Yeah, that second pic down has taught me a lot! 
Sheesh!
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Re: Anyone care to register their feelings on POPCORN??? [Re: simplemachine]
#6746717 - 04/04/07 01:27 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think RR and Agar did a pretty good job answering that one.
When you spawn popcorn to a bulk substrate there are hundreds fewer inoculation points per cubic inch, which mean the substrate will colonize slower.
Exactly... so why are you dissagreeing with me? The greater the surface area, the more inoculation points (rye, wbs, etc.) and the less surface area, the faster colonization occurs (popcorn). Which colonizes faster? They both have advantages obviously. It's all about total surface area (number of grains x surface area of single grain) and dry endosperm weight, baby! I think those are the most important factors, just my opinion though.
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Even when done perfectly I still say popcorn has a higher contam rate. Just because you haven't seen it personally, doesn't mean it isn't true.
You bring up a very good point, now why do you say popcorn has a higher contamination rate? Please, try not to use anything you "haven't seen personally". And higher nutrional value doesn't mean anything if you do the procedure right. I think both are equally as likely to get contaminated...
I don't really see a difference, it's just preference I guess. I just like popcorn.
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Re: Anyone care to register their feelings on POPCORN??? [Re: LBMushroom]
#6747037 - 04/04/07 02:36 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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LBMushroom said:
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I think RR and Agar did a pretty good job answering that one.
When you spawn popcorn to a bulk substrate there are hundreds fewer inoculation points per cubic inch, which mean the substrate will colonize slower.
Exactly... so why are you dissagreeing with me? The greater the surface area, the more inoculation points (rye, wbs, etc.) and the less surface area, the faster colonization occurs (popcorn). Which colonizes faster? They both have advantages obviously. It's all about total surface area (number of grains x surface area of single grain) and dry endosperm weight, baby! I think those are the most important factors, just my opinion though.
OK...Looks like you misunderstood what I meant. A colonized quart of rye with hundreds more kernels will COLONIZE A BULK SUB faster than the same qt of popcorn. The more inoculated kernels per cubic inch of bulk sub, the faster the sub will colonize. I'm not talking speed in a jar, I'm talking speed once you spawn that jar to a tub.
Then again...Maybe you did understand me, but you feel that slower in the jar, faster in the tub is roughly equivalent to faster in jar, slower in the tub. Is that it? You could be right.
I would decide by experience, and my experience has taught me that I prefer WBS for all these reasons. I have seen lots of 0% success (100% of the jars would have bacterial contams) with popcorn and lots of 100% success with WBS.
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Re: Anyone care to register their feelings on POPCORN??? [Re: LBMushroom]
#6747064 - 04/04/07 02:42 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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hey, i like popcorn because its mycowave friendly, ive only had one contam with it ever, probably because it colonizes so quick, plus its easier to shake, also as far as price i get it free, i have a buddy who works at subway, and we just steal 5 gallon buckets once in a while, also as far as endospores are concerned, thats why you soak it for a day or 2 before boiling it for 2 hours. i think even though it produces less myc, the fact that it colonizes faster just means you could spawn it sooner to a bulk sub, or more grail like rye or millet, and it seems to me that it would work wonderfully to isolate a good strain and quikly colonize small 1/2-1 pint jars as primary spawn and store in the fridge for later g2g transfers to a secondary spawn, because the primary spawn would colonize faster it seems it would reduce the contam rate and over all loss for people who do g2g transfers by reducing the contam percentage in the primary spawn, and if you are working with enough bulk substrate i dont see how it could make that huge of a difference with overall yeild, i admit it is shit to fruit it by itself though.
either way i refuse to believe that there are no practical uses for popcorn in the world of mycology
also i woke up this morning and the idea of using popped pop-corn and millet flour to make cakes came to me, anyone ever try this?
i may just be a moron, but it works for me
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Re: Anyone care to register their feelings on POPCORN??? [Re: fetalscab]
#6747080 - 04/04/07 02:49 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Man, wet (popped) popcorn is NASTY!
It turns into this sick jelly-like goo when you get it wet!
I used to work at a movie theater...
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Re: Anyone care to register their feelings on POPCORN??? [Re: simplemachine]
#6747221 - 04/04/07 03:27 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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simplemachine said:
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JayemJigga said:
thanks agar ....very informative .
Yeah, that second pic down has taught me a lot!
Sheesh!
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Re: Anyone care to register their feelings on POPCORN??? [Re: agar]
#6747233 - 04/04/07 03:30 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Actually, I thought it was quite enlightening!
Everyone SHOULD know the difference, now!
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Re: Anyone care to register their feelings on POPCORN??? [Re: simplemachine]
#6747307 - 04/04/07 03:51 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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silly question: where is a good place to buy rye kernals? health food store? animal feed store? pet store, grocery store?
I've not idea 
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Re: Anyone care to register their feelings on POPCORN??? [Re: simplemachine]
#6747427 - 04/04/07 04:27 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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simplemachine said:
Man, wet (popped) popcorn is NASTY!
It turns into this sick jelly-like goo when you get it wet!
I used to work at a movie theater...
right on, well i guess you just saved me some time and dissapointment, thanks
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Re: Anyone care to register their feelings on POPCORN??? [Re: Cham]
#6747445 - 04/04/07 04:37 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cham said:
silly question: where is a good place to buy rye kernals? health food store? animal feed store? pet store, grocery store?
I've not idea
Feed & seed stores are the best buy(50 lb bags).
Next best buy is BULK food stores (by the lb).
Last resort (most expensive) is health food stores.
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Re: Anyone care to register their feelings on POPCORN??? [Re: agar]
#6747505 - 04/04/07 04:57 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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OK...Looks like you misunderstood what I meant. A colonized quart of rye with hundreds more kernels will COLONIZE A BULK SUB faster than the same qt of popcorn. The more inoculated kernels per cubic inch of bulk sub, the faster the sub will colonize. I'm not talking speed in a jar, I'm talking speed once you spawn that jar to a tub.
That makes a lot of sense now. I thought Agar was talking about colonization of a jar, not straw or a casing substrate. In that case the number of grains does matter and rye/wbs would colonize a casing layer quicker in theory. My mistake. I still like popcorn though, hahaha.
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Re: Anyone care to register their feelings on POPCORN??? [Re: LBMushroom]
#6749919 - 04/05/07 08:33 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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All good info...Thought I read that popcorn wasn't as nutritious as yellow dent corn or other grains (perhaps I was mistaken)...It does seem to colonize a casing considerably slower (deceiving when you see how fast it colonizes in the jar)...I'm wondering if that's why people experience high contam rates...It seems like it does have some good uses over all...G2G being one of them...but tell me...Can it be birthed as a cake and fruited in a fruiting chamber???
Also...Would something like the Sea of Shrooms Tek work better with pop corn...Where the casing containers are smaller and probably faster to colonize???
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Re: Anyone care to register their feelings on POPCORN??? [Re: Brillig]
#6749960 - 04/05/07 08:51 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Can it be birthed as a cake and fruited in a fruiting chamber???
without a casing layer?
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Re: Anyone care to register their feelings on POPCORN??? [Re: Arp]
#6750718 - 04/05/07 12:34 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah...I'm assuming it's not possible...But ya never know what you can get away with when you try...That's why I asked about the Sea of Shrooms Tek as well...
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Re: Anyone care to register their feelings on POPCORN??? [Re: simplemachine]
#6755330 - 04/06/07 05:49 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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i may be a rookie but heres my take on this.i have used wbs,cracked corn(way better than popcorn)rye,brown rice flour,rye flour,wheat flour,and powdered potato starch.by far the bet was rye colonized as fast as cracked corn which seemed to grow in large spurts.i was EXTREMELY impressed with the colonization speed of the powdered potato starch.anyone have an opinion or know if this is common from this product.and i have agar i was wondering if this powdered potato starch could be whipped up with agar rather than verm for a sub.
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Re: Anyone care to register their feelings on POPCORN??? [Re: dirtracer24]
#6755985 - 04/06/07 09:33 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have never done anything with potato starch,I have used cracked corn before with alright results,in my opinion rye is still king,followed by bird seed if your lucky enough to get the moisture right which for some god forsaken reason I can only do about60% of the time
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Re: Anyone care to register their feelings on POPCORN??? [Re: Blutjager]
#6756334 - 04/06/07 11:21 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anyone ever experimented with hominy grits or semolina???
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Re: Anyone care to register their feelings on POPCORN??? [Re: Brillig]
#6756397 - 04/06/07 11:49 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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heres my p
 inion on cracked corn
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Re: Anyone care to register their feelings on POPCORN??? [Re: dirtracer24]
#6764698 - 04/09/07 09:44 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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OK folks...I gotta say...Perhaps there are easier/better ways to grow cubes than popcorn, but so far I'm lovin' the stuff...I cased 2 pint jars of colonized popcorn in pasteurized MGMC using an aluminum loaf pan...I'll admit that it took a few days longer to colonize the casing...Today is day 6 and I'm gonna give it the rest of the day before I induce fruiting...But it's performed very well so far and I want to add here that the spore syringe is at least 4 years old (probably 5) and was stored in the fridge...I'm amazed I got any growth at all...Anyway...I'll post my yield results, but so far, I'm a fan!!!
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