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 Mystic_Cannibal
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 Linear Reincarnation through time? 
#6739017 - 04/02/07 03:51 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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My question for you all is if reincarnation exists which there seems to be a fair amount of evidence for that, then would we reincarnate in a linear progression through time? Or could I go and jump around through time, having a past life in the future and back and forth? Maybe even having a past or future life in the same time as this or other incarnations? Could you be my reincarnation? Could we all be the reincarnation of one soul? Any thoughts on this would be interesting to me and if anyone knows the official Buddhist or Hindu stance on these questions Id love to hear them.
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Ahhh I'd love to have a clue about that... the thing is that I find myself divided in all the possible and impossible theories and they all make some sense... maybe that's not what matters so much... it seems more valuable to me by just keeping it on an intuition level.
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Reincarnation is always circular or spiral. Moving up or down in circular or spiral motion. The direction is decided by subtle vibrations in the energy field of the individual cause by karmic interactions with space and time.
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i labour under the impression that reincarnation could only possibly be, thus.
ups, downs, linear, vibrations, backwards and forwards all just seem pleasing narratives for the eyes of the child.
though i sometimes find the notion of the tiger or the moth as a cypher in my consciousness, i will not be aught but me, in this life or the next.
pink floyd just popped onto the system... good morning worm, your honour!
peace, probably.
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Re: Linear Reincarnation through time? [Re: Jackenobi]
#6740189 - 04/02/07 07:49 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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for the eyes of the child.
Moody Blues, sort of.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Reincarnation is a funny subject.
This surely is an incarnation.
Some might think that we are something more/else than this physical incarnation.
And if that is so, why should we not be able to incarnate again, once/if the current incarnation is beyond repair! (?)
Whether time would be linear, and/or of the moment, would surely just be speculations.
But, the idea of living a life as a caveman, then living a life as a house designer, then going back to living in the wild-wild west, kind of seems plausible. At least to one like me, who may spend entire lifetimes, just in/as a dream, sleeping just one night, or even hours/minutes/seconds?
I for one though, think that we may reincarnate in this very body.
As we may regenerate the regeneration(, what regenerates); (E.g. Stem cells.) I see no reason why we should not be able to reincarnate in the very same moment of time, in/as/through the very same body.
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Re: Linear Reincarnation through time? [Re: Icelander]
#6741577 - 04/03/07 08:49 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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i have a vague song lyric, probably courtesy of south park singing 'through the eyes of a chiiild' am i on the right track?
This is 100% relevant to this thread.
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Re: Linear Reincarnation through time? [Re: Jackenobi]
#6741644 - 04/03/07 09:17 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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How about, in the name of science, one of you people that accepts reincarnation to be truth kill yourself. Then as soon as you relearn writing, you can come post back here for us and let us know if things went as planned?
What I'm saying is, you won't know if there is the after-death type of reincarnation till you die.
Also, don't blindly accept reincarnation as a truth just because you consider yourself Buddhist or Hindu. Especially Buddhists! Buddha recommended we question things and find truth ourselves. Lets not believe all the shit we've been fed. Reincarnation could just be similar to the heaven gimmick offered by theists. A way to get people to feel comfortable with joining a particular religion. An empty promise, since you can't really find out if its true till you die. Or possibly, if your meditative practice is deep enough. Even then past life experiences may just be makyo.
Sometimes it seems to me the entire notion of reincarnation as hinted at by the Buddha, for the most part, is misunderstood. Remember Buddhism teaches that there is no enduring self. It seems to me reincarnation is happening with every breath. Rebirth doesn't happen at death, its an ongoing process that is always a part of existence.
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Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream.
Edited by badreligion2good (04/03/07 09:24 AM)
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well those were some good thoughts though badreligion2good you gotta calm down here. I never said I believed in reincarnation, Buddhism or Hinduism. I'm not even sure i really believe in time so how could i be sure about reincarnation? I just thought it was interesting question to think about and if you are gonna think about reincarnation two good perspectives (though not the only valid ones) on it would be the Hindus and Buddhists.
As for people testing scientifically the theory of reincarnation? Well if you looked into it a bit you'd see that children around the world sometimes remember past lives. They can remember their old families who are still alive, what their names are and old possessions of theirs and where they lived etc even though the 4 year old kid hasn't been within 100 miles from there. They can have birth marks or other disfigurements which exactly match how they died in the last life. Though I'm sure a few thousand contemporary cases of this world wide isn't enough evidence for someone like you and its not really even for me. I think mushroomtrip probably has the right idea by not rationalizing it, after all it could be many things at once or one thing that appears in different ways. Maybe whatever you think will happen is what happens. At any rate i didn't start this thread to debate the truth behind reincarnation just whether people thought if it existed would it have a linear progression through time. Who can say anything is true, dint have blind faith in Buddhism but dont have blind faith in science either, its more biased then we like to think just because its given us a lot of toys. After all gravity is still just a theory. You may have the right answer to these questions but it doesn't mean you could prove it, in fact that it is unprovable maybe a crucial aspect to it.
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Sinbad
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Quote:
badreligion2good said:
How about, in the name of science, one of you people that accepts reincarnation to be truth kill yourself. Then as soon as you relearn writing, you can come post back here for us and let us know if things went as planned?
What I'm saying is, you won't know if there is the after-death type of reincarnation till you die.
Also, don't blindly accept reincarnation as a truth just because you consider yourself Buddhist or Hindu. Especially Buddhists! Buddha recommended we question things and find truth ourselves. Lets not believe all the shit we've been fed. Reincarnation could just be similar to the heaven gimmick offered by theists. A way to get people to feel comfortable with joining a particular religion. An empty promise, since you can't really find out if its true till you die. Or possibly, if your meditative practice is deep enough. Even then past life experiences may just be makyo.
Sometimes it seems to me the entire notion of reincarnation as hinted at by the Buddha, for the most part, is misunderstood. Remember Buddhism teaches that there is no enduring self. It seems to me reincarnation is happening with every breath. Rebirth doesn't happen at death, its an ongoing process that is always a part of existence.
Perhaps you need to do some more reading. Buddhism does not accept reincarnation, but it does accept rebirth due to karmic causation. If you don't understand karmic causation in your own experience, then there will always be doubt in your mind concerning rebirth. The Buddha was very clear about rebirth and he didn't just mean it as a metaphor for the birth and death in each moment, although it can be understood microcosmically in that way also.
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Re: Linear Reincarnation through time? [Re: Sinbad]
#6753396 - 04/06/07 07:13 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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could you even experience be experiencing different lives at the same time reincarnated in a different life happening in that moment? time isnt linear only our bodies passage through it
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Re: Linear Reincarnation through time? [Re: rubixcubies]
#6753584 - 04/06/07 08:35 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes you can, it is said in the Tibetan Buddhist Tradition that one has total awakening can emanate several body, speech and mind emanations at once, experiencing many different lives at the same time, doing benefit (teaching) for sentient beings.
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Re: Linear Reincarnation through time? [Re: Sinbad]
#6753647 - 04/06/07 08:56 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow, That's so cool.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Linear Reincarnation through time? [Re: Icelander]
#6753683 - 04/06/07 09:10 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its more than cool, its awe   some! 
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Re: Linear Reincarnation through time? [Re: Sinbad]
#6754523 - 04/06/07 01:33 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know. I do that all the time.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Linear Reincarnation through time? [Re: Icelander]
#6754564 - 04/06/07 01:44 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thats just your multiple personality syndrome dude, there's a difference. 
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Re: Linear Reincarnation through time? [Re: Sinbad]
#6754723 - 04/06/07 02:30 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Linear Reincarnation through time? [Re: Icelander]
#6759476 - 04/07/07 09:25 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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so is buddhism essentially solipsist?
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