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Re: Why do not make a cumulative order for agar powder and light malt extract in powder? [Re: FreeSporePrints]
#6585071 - 02/19/07 11:23 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://beerme.com/breweries/it/index.shtml Check this list. One of these places will have or be able to tell you where. Light dry malt might be found in Italy.
You can also get it in canned liquid form. Which is about the consistency of honey. http://www.muntons.com/mmi/products/dried_extract.asp Muntons in UK sells worldwide.
Light malt is also used in making baby food products. It is also used in various bakery products. So, you might check those, for a local source.
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Re: Why do not make a cumulative order for agar powder and light malt extract in powder? [Re: agar]
#6585253 - 02/19/07 12:16 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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HI Fabio! I found these two manufacturers of Agar agar in Italy, not sure of the purchasing requirements (minimum orders, etc.), but you can call them and at least get some info on local suppliers if they don't sell direct to the public...heck one of them has the website www.agar.com of all things!
B & V S.r.l. Via Don Minzoni, 104 42043 Gattatico, Italy Phone: +390522671000 | Fax Number: +390522671333 E-mail: bevsrl@ittc.it E-mail: agar@agar.com WWW: http://www.agar.com
BioMérieux Italia S.p.A. Via Fiume Bianco, 56 00144, Roma, Itlay Phone: +3906523081 | Fax Number: +390652308240
Here's the page where I found them http://www.thomasglobal.com/search/heading.asp?new=Y&hid=101440&bhcp=1
For Light malt extract try here - they sell the muntons brand in Italy, and maybe have other stuff; Mr Lunardon Domenico Disegna Alessandra Via Marsan 28/30 36063 Marostica Vicenza Italy
Tel. (390) (0) 424 471424 Fax. (390) (0) 424 476392
email inico@telemar.it http://www.pinta.it
I found that here; http://www.muntons.com/homebeer/agents/continent.asp?name=Europe
Light and love to you brother!! JD
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Re: Why do not make a cumulative order for agar powder and light malt extract in powder? [Re: Jeremy_Davis]
#6585972 - 02/19/07 03:23 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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agar@agar.com
LOL, I am jealous.
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Re: Why do not make a cumulative order for agar powder and light malt extract in powder? [Re: agar]
#6588492 - 02/20/07 02:26 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank you agar and thank you Jeremy. You two afraid me!!!! 
Just a question, which were your terms of search?
I've search for local malt but it's not dried and it's just dark. A research discovered that isn't 100% sorghum but a good 25% of wheat.
Where can i find a recipe for liquid malt?? which are the differences netween a media prepared with malt extract agar and with liquid malt agar?
I hope i can't find raw materials at reasonable price locally.
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Re: Why do not make a cumulative order for agar powder and light malt extract in powder? [Re: FreeSporePrints]
#6588872 - 02/20/07 08:02 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wouldn't worry about following an exact recipe fabio. All you need is a bit of fungi food and a gelling agent such as agar. Stamets even gives a recipe in his book for grinding up dog food and making agar out of that.
The important thing is to not make it too strong. Less 'food' in agar is usually better, as it forces the mycelium to grow in search of nutrients, rather than just sit there fat and happy. Good luck. RR
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Re: Why do not make a cumulative order for agar powder and light malt extract in powder? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6588903 - 02/20/07 08:24 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes is exactly what i think, better less than too much, but..
how can i understand how is too much, apart making trials?!?!
Thanks!
Fabio
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Re: Why do not make a cumulative order for agar powder and light malt extract in powder? [Re: FreeSporePrints]
#6589945 - 02/20/07 03:01 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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These recipes are designed for agar maintenance of Psilocybe species. All media have a near-neutral pH and should be sterilized for twenty to thirty minutes at 15 psi pressure. 500 ml of medium will pour around 20 petri dishes. Using a different medium from time to time will prevent the culture getting used to one medium.
Malt Extract Agar (MEA) 10 grams light malt extract 9 grams agar agar 500 ml potable or distilled water
Potato Dextrose (Yeast-extract) Agar (PD(Y)A) broth from boiling 150 grams sliced potatoes in 500ml water for 30 minutes(add water to 500ml) (You can use 5 g of instant potato flakes instead) 9 g agar agar 7 grams dextrose( = glucose, or 10 ml honey or corn syrup ) 1 gram brewers yeast or yeast-extract (optional)
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Re: Why do not make a cumulative order for agar powder and light malt extract in powder? [Re: agar]
#6592384 - 02/20/07 11:52 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks agar but I was referring to a possible recipe using liquid malt (not the extract malt)..and more generally to understand how much a mushroom need to "eat" 
Thank you!
Fabio
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Re: Why do not make a cumulative order for agar powder and light malt extract in powder? [Re: agar]
#6593330 - 02/21/07 10:06 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
agar said: agar@agar.com
LOL, I am jealous.
Ha Ha! I didn't think about that! LOL
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Re: Why do not make a cumulative order for agar powder and light malt extract in powder? [Re: FreeSporePrints]
#6593370 - 02/21/07 10:16 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
FreeSporePrints said: Thanks agar but I was referring to a possible recipe using liquid malt (not the extract malt)..and more generally to understand how much a mushroom need to "eat" 
Fabio - I've used the liquid malt from Muntons (same stuff I showed the local links for - check them out, I'm curious to see if they're useful, by the way, I'm not exactly sure on the search terms, I kept trying until I found it for ya...). Anyway, the Muntons works great, and I just weighed it like anything else, I just put a baby food jar on my scale, and poured until I got the right amount - I usually used 15-20g per 25g agar+1000ml spring water.
I also highly concur with RR. Don't make yourself crazy looking for malt. I've used all kinds of crazy stuff including crackers, organic whole wheat cereals, coconut water (instead of the distilled or spring water - you crack open the coconut and pour the water into your mix, not coconut water from a store...), John Holiday from Aloha Medicinals says in a place in the Advanced forums (this is a few years back tho...) that he went to the pet store, bought crickets, and put them in the blender and used the dead crickets as the nutrients. He was trying to do some invigorating of a strain in that example though. I've heard dog food agar works great -also from John at Aloha, but haven't used it myself.
So the point is, get yourself some agar first, and then try different nutrient sources (just use your imagination). I like to use about 15-20 grams of any selected nutrient source per 25g agar and 1000ml water.
Loving y'all JD
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Re: Why do not make a cumulative order for agar powder and light malt extract in powder? [Re: Jeremy_Davis]
#6594247 - 02/21/07 02:51 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jeremy, Thanks, message received: less thoughts more pratice 
Fabio
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Re: Why do not make a cumulative order for agar powder and light malt extract in powder? [Re: FreeSporePrints]
#6594307 - 02/21/07 03:05 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've found on eBay this interesting auction for 1 kg of agar powder to 24€ + spedition cost. Is really a great deal!!!
http://cgi.ebay.it/Agar-Agar-gemahlen-E406-1-Kg_W0QQitemZ110071269343QQihZ001QQcategoryZ10746QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem
this for 25 kg of agar powder to 470€ (18.80€ for Kg) You american users could think to make a cumulative order or shroomery to buy it and resell to earn something for the forum cost.
http://cgi.ebay.it/Agar-Agar-gemahlen-E406-25-Kg_W0QQitemZ110071315756QQihZ001QQcategoryZ10746QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem
If the auction is closed you always can contact the seller.
Fabio
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Re: Why do not make a cumulative order for agar powder and light malt extract in powder? [Re: FreeSporePrints]
#6596890 - 02/22/07 08:56 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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hmm, i'd go for it.
I'll put in for 1kg.
Chris
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