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I would have expected the notion that the benefit of the many outweighs the benefit of the few, would also be widely carried if it's one's own turn.

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Not everyone finds collectivism acceptable. I, myself, find it disgusting.

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
If people are to cooperate on any level, there has to be some give-and-take for it to work.

I feel self-sacrifice for a greater good is truly remarkable and one of the most wonderful things about the human species.

There is a difference between the collectivism of the many that sacrifice the few, or that of the few who choose to sacrifice of themselves, for the good of the many. I don't see how one can be disgusted by this latter form of collectivism.

In this thread it is blurred however, because the sacrifice made in both options is mostly someone else's.

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I think that self sacrifice for a group of people you can't identify with is rather hard to attain.

If I wanted to be grouped together with the rest of the world (I don't, a lot of the world is shit) then I would make whatever self sacrifice I had to for the community. 

I just don't identify with the world, so I'd rather protect my own interests until I'm powerful enough to change it

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screw utilitarinism(sp?)

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Liquidkick said:
screw utilitarinism(sp?)

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