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 ExplosiveMango
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 Re: Caution: Marijuana may not be lesser evil [Re: ifarthazesmoke]
#6539681 - 02/07/07 09:14 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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ifarthazesmoke said:
I do think marijuanna is a gateway drug simply because I have never met anyone who used other hard drugs (coke, crack, heroin, pcp) who didn't smoke weed before they did it. I'm not saying that marijuanna necessarily leads to harder drug use by everyone, just that it opens the gateway to other hard drugs.
You, my friend, have been buying brainwashing for the low low price of free thought.
Gateway drug?
So you mean you do this drug and it makes you want other drugs? (wrong)
Gateway social drug?
More likely.
Because marijuana is illegal, when you go and hang out at the 'marijuana shop' you might just notice some of the other items they sell. Coke, Meth, E, LSD, Shrooms, K... You name it.
Did weed make you want these drugs?
Absolutely not.
Did the guy selling both weed and other items?
Likely.
The solution- LEGALIZE WEED!
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ApJunkie
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Re: Caution: Marijuana may not be lesser evil [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#6539750 - 02/07/07 09:53 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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ExplosiveMango said:
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ifarthazesmoke said:
I do think marijuanna is a gateway drug simply because I have never met anyone who used other hard drugs (coke, crack, heroin, pcp) who didn't smoke weed before they did it. I'm not saying that marijuanna necessarily leads to harder drug use by everyone, just that it opens the gateway to other hard drugs.
You, my friend, have been buying brainwashing for the low low price of free thought.
Gateway drug?
So you mean you do this drug and it makes you want other drugs? (wrong)
Gateway social drug?
More likely.
Because marijuana is illegal, when you go and hang out at the 'marijuana shop' you might just notice some of the other items they sell. Coke, Meth, E, LSD, Shrooms, K... You name it.
Did weed make you want these drugs?
Absolutely not.
Did the guy selling both weed and other items?
Likely.
The solution- LEGALIZE WEED!
Well actually, Marijuana WAS a gateway drug for me. I was under the impression everything mind altering was terrible up until about my junior year in high school. I never drank, never smoked, got good grades, and watched all these losers smoke pot after school, and talk about their trips and just scoff at them.
Then one day my best friend (and still to this day... we're buying a house next semester) offered me a joint. I thought about it carefully and realized if he was doing it that I should give it a try (judge for myself. I was just biased, not stupid  ), and I found out it was wonderful.
I didn't drop out of school, I didn't kill my parents, I didn't get addicted and steal money... I realized it was all a lie.
And because of that realization that pot was relativley harmless, I wanted to try mushrooms and LSD. I have, and they were great, but if it wasn't for pot showing me the truth about all the propaganda lies, I would probably still think that.
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Edited by ApJunkie (02/07/07 09:55 AM)
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 Mikeyyork
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Re: Caution: Marijuana may not be lesser evil [Re: ApJunkie]
#6539806 - 02/07/07 10:14 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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But studies have shown that when regular pot smokers quit, they do experience withdrawal symptoms, a characteristic used to predict addictiveness. Most users of more addictive drugs, such as cocaine or heroin, started with marijuana, scientists say, and the earlier they started, the greater their risk of becoming addicted.
The only thing weed can lead onto is nicotine addiction,, if people are interested in mind altering they are interested in mind altering.
As for the dependency of drugs it's about time people started looking at the reasons why people become dependant instead of persecuting the drugs people use..
If someone has a drug problem that's more likely a symptom of some other issue,, but it's far easier for them to blame the drugs they're using...
That doesn't work though because they are aiming and shooting at the wrong problem in the wrong way entirely, and everyone else has to suffer for it.
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TurricaN
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Re: Caution: Marijuana may not be lesser evil [Re: ApJunkie]
#6539844 - 02/07/07 10:29 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Marijuana leads you on to other drugs in the same sense that pizza leads you on to other foods. You're shopping for your pizza and you notice something different in the supermarket, so you decide to try it aswell.
Here in Holland, there is a clear distinction between coffeeshops that sell only marijuana, smart-shops that sell other soft drugs (mushrooms, salvia, ayahuasca, etc.) and drug dealers who sell illegal hard drugs (ecstasy, cocaine, heroin).
People don't easily cross over these different categories because when they go to buy their smoke they aren't confronted with offers of other drugs.
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StroFun
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Re: Caution: Marijuana may not be lesser evil [Re: ThirdEyeOpening]
#6539872 - 02/07/07 10:39 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Mikeyyork
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Re: Caution: Marijuana may not be lesser evil [Re: TurricaN]
#6539892 - 02/07/07 10:44 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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TurricaN said:
Marijuana leads you on to other drugs in the same sense that pizza leads you on to other foods. You're shopping for your pizza and you notice something different in the supermarket, so you decide to try it aswell.
Yep,, works both ways.
You could be shopping for burgers and see a pizza you'd like to try.
If your mind is interested in that kind of stuff that's as simple as it is.
Unless people are using drugs to mask/cope with some personal problem, that's another issue.
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Quake3
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Re: Caution: Marijuana may not be lesser evil [Re: Mushouse]
#6540208 - 02/07/07 12:31 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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While there are millions of people who smoke weed, I believe that most of them don't know SHIT about the drug.
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ifarthazesmoke said:
I do think marijuanna is a gateway drug simply because I have never met anyone who used other hard drugs (coke, crack, heroin, pcp) who didn't smoke weed before they did it.
This is a stupid argument. Everyone who used hard drugs also ate white sugar, drank water and went to grade school. Look at the numbers. There are 300,000 heroin addicts, and millions of pot smokers. Why aren't ALL the pot smokers moving to hard drugs?
The reason pot IS a gateway drug is because Johnny will try it, and once he realizes that it's not so bad, he might think "hm, so they said pot is bad, but it's not.. maybe they're also lying about heroin?"
If most pot smokers weren't as misinformed or ignorant as you, ifarthazesmoke, pot would be legal.
The pizza analogy is also good. This is why we need to separate the 'soft' drugs (pot, shrooms, ecstasy, etc) from the 'hard' drugs (heroin, coke, crack, etc).
As for me, the first drug I was interested in was LSD. I asked my friend if he knew anyone and he said no. He had some pot though, so I decided to try it.
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Edited by Quake3 (02/07/07 12:34 PM)
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dedjam
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Re: Caution: Marijuana may not be lesser evil [Re: Quake3]
#6540214 - 02/07/07 12:33 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Quake3 said:
If most pot smokers weren't as misinformed or ignorant as you, ifarthazesmoke, pot would be legal.
So true...mindsets like this are justification to keep drugs illegal.
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TurricaN
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Re: Caution: Marijuana may not be lesser evil [Re: dedjam]
#6540975 - 02/07/07 04:01 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I actually used mushrooms before I ever used weed. I wonder if mushrooms are a gateway drug? 
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Re: Caution: Marijuana may not be lesser evil [Re: StroFun]
#6541068 - 02/07/07 04:28 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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StroFun said:
I'm addicted to addiction.
I'm addicted to blaming things for my addiction of blaming things.
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Re: Caution: Marijuana may not be lesser evil [Re: ThreePieceSuit]
#6541415 - 02/07/07 05:52 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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There probly thinking sombody who quits marijuana and might think "Hmm I want to smoke some weed" is a withdrawl symptom
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Mr_Spliff420
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Re: Caution: Marijuana may not be lesser evil [Re: Dr_Mcgillicuddy]
#6541578 - 02/07/07 06:29 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Bah, they say weed reduces your hand eye coordination, bull shit.
Some of the best gamers smoke pot, well I should say most of them.
And when you can catch lighters being thrown at you from every which way, even with out being told, then what the fuck?
I always catch the lighter, then I say "Weed slows you down, Bull." I know, I know its only anecdotal evidence, but hey if they can use it so can I.
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Re: Caution: Marijuana may not be lesser evil [Re: Dr_Mcgillicuddy]
#6543419 - 02/08/07 06:48 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Dr_Mcgillicuddy said:
There probly thinking sombody who quits marijuana and might think "Hmm I want to smoke some weed" is a withdrawl symptom
Yes, that would be the "cravings".
I despise anyone who tries to say that cannabis is not addictive and does not have withdrawal symptoms. It may not be for everyone, but it sure as hell does for me. They seem to have hit them right on the head as well.
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Re: Caution: Marijuana may not be lesser evil [Re: Mushouse]
#6544659 - 02/08/07 04:30 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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ok lets think about why pot is gateway drug instead of just blaming the so called evil plant. The government makes it illegal for anyone to use the plant. The start off smoking pot hearing it isn't that bad. After they discover that it isn't the evil demon dare classes make it out to be they question any other drug related propganda they have heard. Solution seperate the facts from the myths in the drug war and legalize marijuna to users over 18! Than truthful facts about hard drugs may be taken seriously by these adolescents. I am only 22 and I feel this maybe why i moved on to harder things.
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Edited by jeverden (02/08/07 04:32 PM)
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Re: Caution: Marijuana may not be lesser evil [Re: TurricaN]
#6548092 - 02/09/07 04:13 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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TurricaN said:
Marijuana leads you on to other drugs in the same sense that pizza leads you on to other foods. You're shopping for your pizza and you notice something different in the supermarket, so you decide to try it aswell.
Here in Holland, there is a clear distinction between coffeeshops that sell only marijuana, smart-shops that sell other soft drugs (mushrooms, salvia, ayahuasca, etc.) and drug dealers who sell illegal hard drugs (ecstasy, cocaine, heroin).
People don't easily cross over these different categories because when they go to buy their smoke they aren't confronted with offers of other drugs.
No man, not for me. Did you read my post at all, or just repond to me? Pot was my gateway drug because it made me see through the propoganda. I didn't try pot and get offered other drugs, or be more exposed to them, I tried other drugs because before pot, I honestly thought all drugs could kill you. 
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Re: Caution: Marijuana may not be lesser evil [Re: ApJunkie]
#6548829 - 02/09/07 09:17 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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If people can be made to believe propaganda such as this, what else can people be made to believe? I have never seen/heard of ANYONE dying as a direct cause of taking LSD(A), marijuana, mushrooms, really any NATURALLY occurring substances. That is what has "allowed" me to partake in these substances. I also did it properly. I have heard/seen people die from Heroin, cocaine, crack, meth, and other such substances. This has kept me from trying it. The way I look at it is if you are stupid enough to try something where the consequences can be grave, then you are stupid enough to die. Plain and simple. I am sure very few, if any, of the addicts who suffer a lifetime of addiction had the substance they are addicted to forced upon them. Why haven't the rest of the millions of pot heads out there become addicted to those harder, unnatural substances? Maybe they weren't STUPID enough to try it in the first place. I believe heavily in survival of the fittest. Unfortunately for the species known as humans, survival of the fittest in a sense doesn't really exist anymore. If I was to see someone do something and die or get sick from it, I would know well enough not to do said activity. Simple and easy enough. I personally saw a girl overdose on heroin and had never been more disgusted before in my life. I had seen death before in car accidents, but nothing had prepared me for that. The day I see someone OD on a naturally occurring entheogen, (heroin I wouldn't consider natural, opium yes, but not heroin) will be the day that I myself will question consuming them. Until then, they can take this bullshit govt propaganda and shove it.
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