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 Flop Johnson
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 Any satanists? 
#6502040 - 01/27/07 01:21 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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What is the deal with satanism? I'm not religious and don't believe in the devil or hell at all, but I have always been curious why people would ever worship him.
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Silversoul
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There are very few "Satanists" who actually worship an entity called Satan. Rather, they use Satan as a symbol of their rebellion against God and religion and all systems which they see as inhibiting our natural human desires. Satan is the adversary, and that's how they see themselves. They are adversaries to any religious doctrine which says that people must behave a certain way or follow anything other than their own will. Satanism is, by its own admission, a selfish religion. It is about holding up one's own will as supreme. Essentially, it's Ayn Rand with rituals.
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Flop Johnson
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Ha. Well they don't seem like such freaks now.
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Silversoul said:
There are very few "Satanists" who actually worship an entity called Satan. Rather, they use Satan as a symbol of their rebellion against God and religion and all systems which they see as inhibiting our natural human desires. Satan is the adversary, and that's how they see themselves. They are adversaries to any religious doctrine which says that people must behave a certain way or follow anything other than their own will. Satanism is, by its own admission, a selfish religion. It is about holding up one's own will as supreme. Essentially, it's Ayn Rand with rituals.
Satanism is a stupid, narrow-minded practice.
What does Satanism propose is wrong with society? Dominator structures like religion and government.
What is its proposed solution? Self-serving behavior.
Guess what? Government and religion as institutions reflect the conflict in every individual between compassion and selfish desire. By promoting the latter you are promoting dictatorship, Inquisition-era Catholicism, male-dominant (men being on the whole naturally stronger than women ergo more able to physically impose themselves) marriage, and every other pernicious dominator structure - meanwhile, the world as a whole is experiencing a shift toward a balance between compassion and selfish desire that was all but unheard of in the medieval institutions of Church and Fief.
Satan is a metaphor for one half of the experience of being human - you might as well call yourself a Selfish-Assholist. There's nothing wrong with self-serving acts per se, as long as compassion and awareness of potential resultant unfoldments are present.
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Re: Any satanists? [Re: Lion]
#6502422 - 01/27/07 04:35 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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*raises hand*
Bug you clearly do not understand the clear intention.
Suppose you'd have to speak out of ignorance if you clearly dont read before you give your opinion.
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Re: Any satanists? [Re: Lion]
#6502441 - 01/27/07 04:44 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Satanism is a stupid, narrow-minded practice.
You could say the same thing about Christianity.
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Re: Any satanists? [Re: niteowl]
#6502469 - 01/27/07 04:54 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Or that statement.
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Hidden secret sabbat summoning my name
On my way to satan to give the kiss of shame
Flaming pagan fire burning high at night
Wild copulation in the fullmoon light
Atmosphere so wicked as the mass begins
Deep inside the forest
Where the dark lord reigns!
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Re: Any satanists? [Re: Lion]
#6502518 - 01/27/07 05:20 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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I disagree bug, its not my path, but it isnt stupid.
First of all, why would a satanist want to make the world better in the first place?
Second of all, it is the most direct opposition to catholicism in an idealogical way. And they accomplish this without blowing up churches or killing nuns and infidels.
Generalizing a bit if i may, but catholicism, the dominating religious structures point of view on unorthadox religion is almost wholely negative. To a catholic, a shaman who treats mushroom usage as sacred is confused, insane, or less often, evil. The Catholic view on satanism on the other hand is just seen as evil. Satanists at least get respect, because they are labeled as someone who believes in catholic tradition, but is evil. They cant convert this group, theyrealready converted! This religion is completely liget!
Until a seperation of government and religion is completely abolished in this country, Legitiment religion may be practiced without crazy christians coming in and making it illegal, as long as they arent breaking any laws in practice. The problem is that seperation of government and religion is only interpreted in the most literal sense. Religion creates our morals, moral view is basis of our laws. Satanism is a reasonable reaction to the crazy, hopeless world we live in. Based on THEIR philosophy it works.
The problem is that moral power is the opposite to economic power in the spectrum of total power. When they go hand in hand its an unstoppable force.
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Silversoul
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Interestingly enough, some of the Satanic practices, particularly the Black Mass, actually began within the Catholic clergy. In some cases, it may have been a sort of rebellion, but in other cases, it seems to have been a vehicle of gnosis, working in much the same way as left-hand tantra. That is, they would shock their senses out of complacency by deliberately breaking taboos.
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I disagree bug, its not my path, but it isnt stupid.
First of all, why would a satanist want to make the world better in the first place?
Second of all, it is the most direct opposition to catholicism in an idealogical way. And they accomplish this without blowing up churches or killing nuns and infidels.
Generalizing a bit if i may, but catholicism, the dominating religious structures point of view on unorthadox religion is almost wholely negative. To a catholic, a shaman who treats mushroom usage as sacred is confused, insane, or less often, evil. The Catholic view on satanism on the other hand is just seen as evil. Satanists at least get respect, because they are labeled as someone who believes in catholic tradition, but is evil. They cant convert this group, theyrealready converted! This religion is completely liget!
Until a seperation of government and religion is completely abolished in this country, Legitiment religion may be practiced without crazy christians coming in and making it illegal, as long as they arent breaking any laws in practice. The problem is that seperation of government and religion is only interpreted in the most literal sense. Religion creates our morals, moral view is basis of our laws. Satanism is a reasonable reaction to the crazy, hopeless world we live in. Based on THEIR philosophy it works.
The problem is that moral power is the opposite to economic power in the spectrum of total power. When they go hand in hand its an unstoppable force.
There is no difference between outward-ecclesiastical Catholicism and the practice of Satanism: they are both poor metaphors for the paradox of duality. They both make assumptions about the nature of Mind and about 'right ways to live'. Neither offers a comprehensive model of the Self, and as such should not be taken as anything more than a metaphor for further examining the Self - which is fine if it does not yield dogmatic faith in the accuracy of any of its outlined tenets.
The fact that "Satanism" has caused less deaths than "the Catholic Church" - whatever the hell those even are! are there such entities? - does not make it anything more than a poor metaphor.
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Re: Any satanists? [Re: Lion]
#6502643 - 01/27/07 06:35 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Although ive done some reading on the subject, I know practically nothing about satanism or its philosophy. Although it sounds like a very realistic philosophy, whether its an enlightened perspective or not is not my argument. I can understand it from a sociological perspective though. Satanism does seem to be a reaction to christianity.
Where it fundamentally apposes christianity is that it does not impose itself on others. Thats the "selfish" approach on the other end isnt it?
Satanism does not impose selflessness, but also, it doesnt make it blasphemous. To me that completely blows christianity as a whole out of the water.
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The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
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daytripper23
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but thats just the battle between christianity and satanism....
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its the same fucking thing....both are pretty damn retarted if you ask me
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Re: Any satanists? [Re: Vulture]
#6503818 - 01/28/07 02:34 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Satanists are not anti-christians but more like pagans and they believe Satan is another name for an entity called Enki or Enlil, originally. this worship is ancient and contains many spiritual practices such as power meditation, and kundalini excercises, and imroving clairvoyant and clairaudient abilities to communicate with Enki and other discarnate entities or daemons. for anyone to judge them and say it is stupid without real knowlege of what it is they practice is ignorant. the Yezzid tribes of iraq have worshipped this deity for thousands of years and have a strong foundation in practice and it never had anything to do with christianity. Christianity has promoted the opposite of spiritual satanism- dogma and doctrine, instead of self alchemichal transformation and spirituality. although i am not one, i respect a spiritual Satanist more than i do the average christian.
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Re: Any satanists? [Re: Vulture]
#6503822 - 01/28/07 02:41 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Satanists are not anti-christians but more like pagans and they believe Satan is another name for an entity called Enki or Enlil, originally. this worship is ancient and contains many spiritual practices such as power meditation, and kundalini excercises, and imroving clairvoyant and clairaudient abilities to communicate with Enki and other discarnate entities or daemons. for anyone to judge them and say it is stupid without real knowlege of what it is they practice is ignorant. the Yezzid tribes of iraq have worshipped this deity for thousands of years and have a strong foundation in practice and it never had anything to do with christianity. Christianity has promoted the opposite of spiritual satanism- dogma and doctrine, instead of self alchemichal transformation and spirituality. although i am not one, i respect a spiritual Satanist more than i do the average christian.
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daytripper23
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I know that alot of pagan traditions have been labeled satanic, but why did this one group stick with the name, unless they wanted the conflict?
I guess im somewhat pagan, and id like others to think of me as that instead of satanic, because i dont seek this conflict, at least not in that kind of presentation.
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Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!
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GrimTroll
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It's easy for people to be confused. There are MANY ways of Satanism.
Spiritual Satanism is very interesting. Theres an entire website full of incredible information. While I do not agree with all the views of the webmaster, she does have an incredible amount of information regarding the subject. True Satanism is about elevating and empowering humanity.
But this is great --> http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Satanic_Meditation.html
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Hidden secret sabbat summoning my name
On my way to satan to give the kiss of shame
Flaming pagan fire burning high at night
Wild copulation in the fullmoon light
Atmosphere so wicked as the mass begins
Deep inside the forest
Where the dark lord reigns!
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