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younikrawn said:Simply avoiding negative feelings/things isn't necessarily the way to deal with it, but to each his own.

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aelephant said:
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Am I that predictable!

Mindfulness and understanding of these negative emotions is essential. If you are experiencing them, perhaps there is a reason.  Perhaps not. Only the trained mind is self-aware in this respect.  If your negative feelings are groundless, dissolve them.  If they have merit or you feel that they could assist you in some way, carry them.  They are your burden.  Know that with meditation practice the mind may be silenced at any time and one may unshoulder the burdens that they carry.

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aelephant said:
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Am I that predictable!

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Not at all, as you've proven!  I was thinking about the sort of response you might solicit and that lead me to my own answers.  Wow!  You've really made an impression on me in the short time I've been here at the Shroomery and I was hoping you would weigh in.  Now you have!  Hoorah!    <-- my first Smiley, just for the occasion.

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but positive change does not come from inaction!  It doesn't come from ego-death or self-reflection... it comes from people who FEEL BAD about the way things are, bad enough that they are motivated to do what they can to change them.

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Without allowing yourself to feel positive emotions, enjoy and appreciate them, , you would have no measure or reason for being moved to make change from out of the negative into the positive in the world.

I maintain that the negative alone, never serves. It is the good and positive that is only able to create good and positive. Without it, the reason to achieve it is not there-which is why the negative is actually, never the motivating energy. Negativity just serves to suck up energy like a black hole -period.

Say you were really happy with something and then one day, felt lousy about it. The desire to be happy again, would come from wanting to escape, feeling lousy. Nothing ever positive comes of negative itself. Negativity is purely a suckers trap and it just sucks.

Your feeling good again, came from out of a desire to feel good again which is a good thing.

Good=good

bad=bad

Negative emotions do not serve us directly in anyway. negative emotions are just signs that tell us that we slipped and fell into a suckers trap. Feeling negative about everything once within it, won't get you out of it either.

The only thing that will pull you back up and out is a positive feeling that feels positive about getting out and back into the positive again.

I tried the no feeling and being neutral about it all for a while and that was just another form of negativity. It sucked that period of my life away. Memory and emotion are intertwined, without emotion, there is little to no memory recall of experiences. Its as if that time didn't even exist, as if, you weren't even there.

My current formula is 90% happy positive with 10% slips and falls, just because, I enjoy the challenge of pulling up and out of the negatives and the feeling of the positive lift. It's a trip if I went to far and actually find myself stuck in the muck having a hard time getting out

It's those times, I tell myself how much the positive heights do really rock by comparison and hopefully, one of these days, I will outgrow my need for the occasional challenge and struggle.

I go for so long feeling happy and positive and.... my slips and falls into the negative are a way of pinching myself to check if I am dreaming.

Maybe the negative serves us in that respect. It acts as a reality check of sorts. It lets us know that the awesome dreamy reality we experience here is really real. It gets so good sometimes, it gets hard to believe its real. One of these days, when at the highest of my heights, I'll be able to keep believing without a need to pinch myself with a slip and fall into the negative to feel the ouch of life to believe the good was real.

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younikrawn said:Simply avoiding negative feelings/things isn't necessarily the way to deal with it, but to each his own.

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I suppose this is another question embedded in my original post.  How  do YOU deal with the negative?

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I used to be an avoider.  If something was wrong/bad/negative I ignored whatever it was.  But the more I ignored it, the more I found that I was unhappy. 

I had been that way until recently, and I'm still going through some major personality/religious/behavior discoveries about myself and the world, but I try to just let it go.  I don't want to push it away or ignore it.  Same with the good. 

Nothing last forever, so why try to hold on?  Take the good with the bad, and try to remember to feel lucky that I know the difference and have the capacity to feel such things.  If you were happy ALL of the time, you wouldn't know what happiness was...

It's hard to explain the way I deal with things like this because I'm still learning how, but I hope that made some kind of sense.

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younikrawn said:
I used to be an avoider.  If something was wrong/bad/negative I ignored whatever it was.  But the more I ignored it, the more I found that I was unhappy. 

I had been that way until recently, and I'm still going through some major personality/religious/behavior discoveries about myself and the world, but I try to just let it go.  I don't want to push it away or ignore it.  Same with the good. 

Nothing last forever, so why try to hold on?  Take the good with the bad, and try to remember to feel lucky that I know the difference and have the capacity to feel such things.  If you were happy ALL of the time, you wouldn't know what happiness was...

It's hard to explain the way I deal with things like this because I'm still learning how, but I hope that made some kind of sense.

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Makes sense to me. We're all still learning.

I always try to cultivate an outlook of "positive neutrality."

Enjoy your harvest when it comes, sow your seeds when it goes.

It's easier to walk with two feet on the ground.

That is my philosophy.

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These are the signals coming in to us from the world.

How we let them influence our experience of life is ultimately up to ourselves.

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Yeah and as I said, they only serve to signal us that we slipped from the positive plane.

They don't serve in any manor that says, "you should be here down in the dumps and shitz because it's good for you to be."

Sure, how we let those times influence us is ultimately up to ourselves. Why in our right minds would we consciously choose to let them influence us for the worse? That would be "I deserve crap" "victim program" "negativity" talking.

Not a soul here will ever be able to convince me that any good/positive comes from out of pure bad/negative itself.

Here's why,

If good comes from out of anything, it is the good that was buried underneath the bad, the positive buried underneath the negative, JUST LIKE the silver under the tarnish. The tarnish is tarnish and will always be just tarnish.

The tarnish doesn't magically turn into shiny silver and never will. It stays tarnish. Only shiny silver is shiny silver. The tarnish lays on top of it covering it up.

The tarnish only serves to let you know that you got lazy and let your bright and shiny valuable silver get covered with tarnish.

Tarnish=tarnish

Silver=silver

Good= Good

bad=bad

Positive=positive

negative= negative


Here's an easy way to understand why and how, negativity is truly not what motivates us into ACTION that has the power to create positive change.

Look at a bank account and energy as money. When you have a balance in the positive digits, you have the power to make things happen with that cash. When you have a zero (neutral) balance , or one in the negatives, you have nothing, zero to negative power to make things happen with. It takes positive cash/energy to make things happen and always ever did.

What people think is negative energy motivating them to take action towards positive change is really just the positive in them buried below the negative, looking for a release because it came under to much pressure. Negativity has weight, a gravitational pull to be sure, and its force will pull things down and in only one direction- further into the negative.

It's the equivalent of having your bank balance dip below zero and being charged a service charge penalty as long as it stays there. Unless you get your balance back up into positive numbers, the negative balance will increase because of the service charge accruing being tacked on by the bank.

The only way to get your bank balance up into the positives is to

A. Steal positive cash

B. Ask someone to just give you some positive cash

C. Borrow positive cash.

D. Work for positive cash.



If you go to Joe and ask him for 50 bucks, you will not walk away with 50 bucks if Joe is broke.

If you go to steal 50 bucks from Jane, you will walk away with nothing if Jane is broke.

If you go to work for 50 bucks, you will only get it if you do 50 dollars worth of work.

Just as there is no way to get positive cash from a negative cash source, there is no way to get positive energy from a negative energy source.


Hope this helps anyone to understand if they positively want to work there way out of a negative cash flow way of life.

Being balanced is not having a bank account at zero-neutral, or maintaining a 50 dollar credit and a 50 dollar debit which keeps you with essentially zero positive cash flow.

When the tern balance is used related to living a healthy life, it is not referring to living it 50 5 in the positive and 50% in the negative.

It is referring to things like investing positive energy in getting a proper balance of work, rest, play and sleep. If this vital grouping gets imbalanced, it will lead to feeling tired and fatigue, financial loss, pressure and frustration- all negative states.

It is referring to things like investing positive attention energy and action into the care of the spiritual, mental, emotional and physical bodies. If this vital grouping becomes imbalanced, it will lead to spiritual imbalance (psychic disorders) mental imbalance-mental disorders, emotional imbalance-emotional disorders and physical imbalance- chemical disorders and over all general dis-ease eventually.

Speaking of, I have to get some sleep now. Sweet dreams all.

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What people think is negative energy motivating them to take action towards positive change is really just the positive in them buried below the negative, looking for a release because it came under to much pressure. Negativity has weight, a gravitational pull to be sure, and its force will pull things down and in only one direction- further into the negative.

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I see this as the positive resolving the negative. I was at a bagpiping workshop the other day and our instructor was telling us that each time we played a part of the tune we needed to pick something out to fix or make better. One woman complained that she just constantly made mistakes, and he wisely replied,'good, then you can be constantly improving!'