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new2grow
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Poisonous?
#6458654 - 01/14/07 12:01 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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hey if you got some shrooms that you think may be active, or they may be poisonous, if you just boil them, like you were making tea. Will it rid the mushroom of all the dangers?
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Re: Poisonous? [Re: new2grow]
#6458700 - 01/14/07 12:17 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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im no expert, but I would definetely say no to that question.
infact, I wouldnt even advise boiling your tea.. thats HOT! I find that water around 130-140 degrees does fine, while not getting the shrooms too hot. once again, Im no expert, but i was told by someone one time to try not to exceed 175 degrees. I could be wrong, correct me if so..
it sounds like to me that you got some unidentified mushrooms and your planning on eating them. thats another thing that i wouldnt recommend. if your 'not sure' if they could be poisonous, then i'm 'not sure' if you would live to tell about it.
maybe try to post an id request so that you may know what your gonna eat. i dunno
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Re: Poisonous? [Re: jdirty]
#6458703 - 01/14/07 12:19 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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NO
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Re: Poisonous? [Re: new2grow]
#6458807 - 01/14/07 01:01 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Edited by spores (01/14/07 04:31 PM)
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Dr. uarewotueat
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Re: Poisonous? [Re: spores]
#6459323 - 01/14/07 03:49 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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wot the...
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mjshroomer
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Re: Poisonous? [Re: new2grow]
#6459325 - 01/14/07 03:50 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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making a tea from a toxic shroom will only spread the toxins into your system like a time capsule and make it impossible for treatment period.
And would make it hard for a toxicologist to identify stomach specimens or fragments of shrooms which are not present because you made a tea instead of eating them.
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new2grow
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Damn tea-ing does not help unidentifieds, good thing thats clear.
Ive made tea from good shrooms before, and i liked the high a lot, there were no cramps or invisible bubbles in my mouth. But i used a pot on a stove to do that. All i have at my desposal is a microwave and one coffe mug.
I guess i should just nuke the hell out of some water, then add the srooms to it, and let it brew as such?
With the stove, i used a drainer with the shrooms in it.....
would someone give me some suggestions to make tea... i need to MaGiver it with a microwave and a coffee mug.
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Re: Poisonous? [Re: new2grow]
#6459410 - 01/14/07 04:19 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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LOOK IT UP
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xmush
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mjshroomer said: making a tea from a toxic shroom will only spread the toxins into your system like a time capsule and make it impossible for treatment period.
Not sure if the MJshroomer school of medicine will ever be open for business, but nonetheless, his heart's in the right place. Making a tea, or cooking, will not destroy the toxins found in most deadly and poisonous mushrooms.
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mjshroomer
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Re: Poisonous? [Re: xmush]
#6460475 - 01/14/07 08:43 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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xmush said:
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mjshroomer said: making a tea from a toxic shroom will only spread the toxins into your system like a time capsule and make it impossible for treatment period.
Not sure if the MJshroomer school of medicine will ever be open for business, but nonetheless, his heart's in the right place. Making a tea, or cooking, will not destroy the toxins found in most deadly and poisonous mushrooms.
I actually meant that making a tea from mushrooms would make it virtually impossible for a Dr. or toxicologist to identify any possible mushroom fragments from gastric lavage or emesis and draw from your stomach, the contents in order to be able to identify the toxic elements which may be poisoning ones self.
Some treatments used in mushroom poisoning intoxications: From mj's Magic Mushrooms of Australia and New Zealand
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The major dangers associated with psilocybin poisonings are primarily psychological in nature. Anxiety or panic states ("bad trips"), depressive or paranoid reactions, mood changes, disorientation and an inability to distinguish between reality and fantasy may occur.
Recommended treatment for this type of poisoning should always be primarily supportive. Mycologist Dr. Joseph Ammirati of the University of Washington and his colleagues claim that "no specific treatment can be recommended for psilocybin poisoning in humans". Other doctors have "stress[ed] the importance of measures to reduce absorption of the toxins involved". This involves either, e.g., gastric lavage or emesis Lincoff & Mitchell, 1977; Rumack & Saltzman, 1978; Smith, 1978).
1. Emesis. 15-30 cc of ipecac syrup followed by large amounts of oral liquids (500 cc).
2. Supportive treatment: i.e. the "talk-down" technique is the preferred method for handling "bad trips". It involves non-moralizing, comforting, personal support from an experienced individual. This is further aided by limiting external stimulation such as intense light or loud sounds and letting the person lie down and perhaps listen to soft music.
3. Tranquilizers need only be used in extreme situations and are generally not considered to be necessary. Diazepam, 0.1 mg/kg in children, up to 10 mg in adults, may be used to control seizures.
According to Dr. Rick Strassman of the University of New Mexico, anti-psychotics have gone out of favor for the treatment of `bad trips'. Specifically, medicines with anti-cholinergic side effects, such as chlorpromazine, should not be given as these mushrooms can have marked anti-cholinergic effects of their own.
In 1988, Dr. Jansen noted that cases which present medically fall into several groups:
1. Those who have taken the drug with little knowledge of hallucinogens and in the absence of sensible persons who can take care of them. These are more likely to be adolescents. They may self-present but are more often brought for medical attention by their parents.
2. Those who fall as a result of impaired balance or muscle weakness and are knocked out or otherwise injured as a result.
3. Those who are having a `bad trip'. These may involve acute anxiety and panic, depression, paranoid reactions, disorientation and an inability to distinguish between reality and fantasy.
4. Cases of idiosyncratic physical reactions such as cyanosis.
5. Those with recurring phenomena after the mushroom effects should have passed, including prolonged psychosis.
When the history is clear and the signs are suggestive of psilocybian intoxication, it is best not to artificially empty the stomach either by emesis with ipecac or by lavage. Treatment shows that emptying the stomach had no effect on the duration or intensity of the experience once psychological manifestations had properly commenced. Dr. Jansen maintains that unless there is a reason to suspect that a more toxic fungus has been ingested, or if the patient is a young child, induced emesis is not necessary, not helpful and may make the situation much worse if the patient is already aggressive and agitated.
Other doctors have also speculated that a lavage is not merited if psilocybian mushrooms have been positively identified as the source of discomfort. It has also been suggested that "gastric intubation can be difficult in these young patients who are often already distressed and not infrequently aggressive. Furthermore the mushrooms may block the standard lavage tubes [used] for drug overdoses."
The inherent danger from the ingestion of wild mushrooms lies not so much in the consumption of an hallucinogenic variety, but rather in the picking and eating of a toxic species which might resemble an hallucinogenic variety.
Dr. Gastón Guzmán (and his colleagues wrote that "field and laboratory studies strongly indicate that psychoactive mushroom use as it normally occurs does not constitute a drug abuse problem or a public health hazard" (Guzmán et al., 1976). In addition, a recent survey conducted among college students in California, suggests that "the low frequency and few negative effects of [hallucinogenic mushroom] use indicate that abuse does not present a social problem, nor is there evidence for predicting the development of a problem" Thompson et al., 1985).
FLASHBACKS In 1973, Dr. Hall was the Principal Research Officer of the Narcotics Section of the Commonwealth Police Force in Canberra. Dr. Hall had also reported that several drug users had been experiencing recurring `flashbacks' from mushrooms that were similar to `flashbacks' which were associated with LSD consumption.
According to Dr. Karl L. R. Jansen, there is not any firm evidence that mushroom `flashbacks' can occur. Researchers in 1983, have reported that out of 318 specific cases of Psilocybe intoxications occurring in England between l978-l981, 21 patients experienced `flashback phenomena of some form' for up to four months after ingestion", and also mentioned that some of these were the result of drug synergy and polydrug abuse.
"...However, with such a controversial phenomena as `flashbacks', it is necessary to specify precisely what form these do take, so that they may be distinguished from psychological stress reactions wrongly attributed to past drug use." Dr. Hall also pointed out that "if solutions of mushroom extracts were injected intravenously, the results could be very serious." There are no known cases of such injections, and it seems extremely unlikely that anyone would attempt this.
Since this paper was written in 1989-1990 and published first in 1991, several reports of injections of liquid mushroom extracts have put several individuals into the emergency room of hospitals across the continent. This is very disturbing to me and shows why others, who do not do drugs want to make them illegal to do.
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Re: Poisonous? [Re: xmush]
#6460497 - 01/14/07 08:51 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Xmush said;
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Not sure if the MJshroomer
Xmush, the name is mjshroomer (pronounced as mushroomer, and the j is propnounced as an 'u'.
And the mj in the name mjshroomer is not capitalized. So if you use my name, please spell it the way it is and not with a capital 'MJ.'
Please make not of that and do not be disrespectful of the name
mjshroomer
Thank you for your time and consideration in this matter.
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CureCat
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mjshroomer said: Xmush said;
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Not sure if the MJshroomer
Xmush, the name is mjshroomer (pronounced as mushroomer, and the j is pronounced as an 'u'.
And the mj in the name mjshroomer is not capitalized. So if you use my name, please spell it the way it is and not with a capital 'MJ.'
Please make not of that and do not be disrespectful of the name
mjshroomer
Thank you for your time and consideration in this matter.
Dude.... okay, first off, almost everyone recognizes you as mjshroomer, i have NEVER heard anyone refer to you as "mushroomer". and Why would they? Your nic name is "Mushroom John", easily shortened to "MJ". Also, how could anyone figure out that 'j' is supposed to be pronounced as a 'u'?? Xmush did not intend the capitols as an insult, in fact, it is generally good etiquette to capitalize the name of people you respect.
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xmush
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No disrespect intended there mjshroomer. Just poking a little fun at your offbeat medical advice. This is generally a forum of friends helping friends, so having a little fun with each other comes with the territory. As far as capitalizing the MJ, can't believe someone who types as poorly as you would complain about something like that. In anycase I capitalized it because I assumed it referred to your name, Mushroom John, and didn't realize that the letter j is pronounced as a u. Thanks for the language update.
Now let's all take a deep breath....
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Re: Poisonous? [Re: new2grow]
#6461567 - 01/15/07 08:13 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: No is the answer, this topic has been covered in here many times. It's going off topic now.
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